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ATHENS, Ohio -- Authorities in Athens said that they were investigating a mountain bike that put the Ohio University campus on high alert Thursday morning.

Athens Acting Fire Chief Ken Gilbraith said that the bike had a sticker on it that said, "This bike is a pipe bomb." He said the university police discovered it overnight, parked outside a campus restaurant.

OU closed four buildings, police blocked streets around the Oasis restaurant, the fire department brought in off-duty firefighters, and the Columbus fire department's bomb squad was called in.

Gilbraith said the bomb experts attacked the bike with a high-pressure spray of water, then pried it open with a hydraulic tool and found no bomb inside.

It was later discovered that the sticker was advertising for a Florida-based band called This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb.

The university remained in session throughout the incident. The four buildings were reopened by 9 a.m.


The kid was actually CHARGED with "Inducing Panic" ... What kind of shit is that? It's just a sticker for a band, I seriously doubt he had any malicious intent.

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Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step outta line, the men come, and take you away


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Question: How many pipe bombs, or objects containing pipe bombs, are labeled "This is a pipe bomb"?

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Question: How many pipe bombs, or objects containing pipe bombs, are labeled "This is a pipe bomb"?


I'm glad I'm not the only one who was wondering that.



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Question: How many pipe bombs, or objects containing pipe bombs, are labeled "This is a pipe bomb"?
42?
Yeah, how can he be charged with anything? It's not like he was trying to bring it on an airplane or something.

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As far as I'm concerned they owe him a new mountain bike

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So as long as it's a sticker for a badly named garage band, any phrase advertised in public without warning or disclaimer is ok?

There is a usual example for explaining the limits of free speech - specifically that calling out "fire" (when there is none) in a crowded threater is crossing out of the free speech arena, and into using words to assault more then just a few individuals personal taste.

Malicious intent is not required for a crime to be committed - in some cases we even have special names for when a specific type of regular crime is committed without actual intent, i.e. manslaughter ("The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied").

A person going into a crowded room, closing his eyes, and then firing a gun in random directions is guilty of a crime, even if he had no intent to kill anyone. What consitutes a crime even without original "intent" is that a "reasonable person" should have realized the consequences (that firing a gun blind in a crowded room could injure or kill someone). In this case, a "reasonable person" (or someone that wasn't a doped up college student listening to crappy bands) would realize that a sticker proclaiming an object to be an explosive device (there are no common alternative meanings for "pipe bomb". You don't say "that movie was a pipe bomb") would consistute a threat to public safety - in much the same way that shouting "fire" would.

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Question: How many pipe bombs, or objects containing pipe bombs, are labeled "This is a pipe bomb"?


Do some reading about domestic (any western country) bombings. It is actually very frequent that the bomber advertises that they have planted a bomb. Most common occurance being that they phone in and tell someone they've planted a bomb, or they put the bomb in a public place and label it (or call in and say exactly where the bomb is).

Having an object labeled "this is a pipe bomb" (and half the time really being a bomb) is exactly what one would expect if a psychopath was in town. The psychopath wants attention and he wants tension. Having a bomb just go off is someone looking to spread an agenda (political terrorist). Scarying people by showing that you can plant a bomb and make everyone fall over themselves to react to your actions, is the calling card of the attention seeking psychopath.

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A person going into a crowded room, closing his eyes, and then firing a gun in random directions is guilty of a crime, even if he had no intent to kill anyone.


In this example, the crime would be murder, not manslaughter, since this is a clear example of recklessness.

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It is actually very frequent that the bomber advertises that they have planted a bomb. Most common occurance being that they phone in and tell someone they've planted a bomb, or they put the bomb in a public place and label it (or call in and say exactly where the bomb is).


Or perhaps even label it as a bomb knowing people wouldn't believe it. Although, I would wonder how many times I'll get pulled over if I have a bumper sticker reading "Gun Runner" or "I'm smuggling drugs"

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Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step outta line, the men come, and take you away


Nice; although 'afraid' and 'away' don't really rhyme.

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A person going into a crowded room, closing his eyes, and then firing a gun in random directions is guilty of a crime, even if he had no intent to kill anyone.


In this example, the crime would be murder, not manslaughter, since this is a clear example of recklessness.


Ok, so we replace the gun with a less obvious weapon, like a sledge hammer. Construction guy comes onto the job site, grabs his big old sledge hammer and says hi to some of his buddies, then just for kicks he closes his eyes and starts spinning around and around while holding the hammer in his outstretched hands. The hammer turns the face of one of his co-workers into jelly. He is guilty of manslaughter. He did something stupid and reckless, without intent to do any harm, and he killed someone. People who are that stupid and irresponsible are a danger to society, so they get locked up.

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So as long as it's a sticker for a badly named garage band, any phrase advertised in public without warning or disclaimer is ok?

There is a usual example for explaining the limits of free speech - specifically that calling out "fire" (when there is none) in a crowded threater is crossing out of the free speech arena, and into using words to assault more then just a few individuals personal taste.

Not quite the same. If his bike had a speaker on it shouting "I'm a pipe bomb" then maybe. But this is a sticker on a bike. How many times have cops busted in on someone looking for firearms and flowers cuz their car has a "Guns N Roses" sticker on it?

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Malicious intent is not required for a crime to be committed - in some cases we even have special names for when a specific type of regular crime is committed without actual intent, i.e. manslaughter ("The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied").

A person going into a crowded room, closing his eyes, and then firing a gun in random directions is guilty of a crime, even if he had no intent to kill anyone. What consitutes a crime even without original "intent" is that a "reasonable person" should have realized the consequences (that firing a gun blind in a crowded room could injure or kill someone). In this case, a "reasonable person" (or someone that wasn't a doped up college student listening to crappy bands) would realize that a sticker proclaiming an object to be an explosive device (there are no common alternative meanings for "pipe bomb". You don't say "that movie was a pipe bomb") would consistute a threat to public safety - in much the same way that shouting "fire" would.


Manslaughter still implies you were doing something you shouldn't have been (drunk, stoned, speeding, etc...). If I am driving along and a guy jumps in front of me and he dies, I don't get charged. If I was high or driving drunk, there's a chance I might get manslaughter.

And the gun in theatre, he still has the intent of causing panic, and that is what he would be charged with, wreckless endangerment, probably some firearm violations as well.

And, I just disagree. I think anyone who sees a sticker on a bike that says "This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb", and really thinks it's a pipe bomb, will be in the minority. Oh, and they're an idiot too.



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without a website or something showing that it was an ad, then the guy deserves what he gets. (don't think he really deserves jail time however, or even really fines)

Also, leaving your bike somewhere over night is a good way to lose it anyway. Atleast this time he might get the parts back. never know, maybe one of his friend's is a pipe fitter.

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The kid did nothing wrong, and he shouldn't be charged with anything. Completely ridiculous. Is this the USSR? Nazi Germany? How can a kid be charged for doing absolutely nothing?

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Manslaughter still implies you were doing something you shouldn't have been (drunk, stoned, speeding, etc...).
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And, I just disagree. I think anyone who sees a sticker on a bike that says "This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb", and really thinks it's a pipe bomb, will be in the minority. Oh, and they're an idiot too.


In most cultures making a bomb threat is considered something you shouldn't be doing.

And why don't you tell that to the many people that have spotted a package marketed "this is a bomb" and it turned out to be a real bomb, planted by some maniac looking for attention.

This all sounds like the classic college kid "adults are stupid for not knowing about all our moronic, constantly shifting popular culture". Perhaps the next time a guy screams out "that girl over there is being raped!" we should all ignore it, because it's probably just some stupid new college age phrase meaning something completely different, or it's the stupid name of yet another pointless, talentless 20 something band that doesn't have a record deal.

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Original post by StonicusAnd, I just disagree. I think anyone who sees a sticker on a bike that says "This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb", and really thinks it's a pipe bomb, will be in the minority. Oh, and they're an idiot too.


Yeah, I agree with you completely. There was no reason to assume the bike was a bomb. It seems like people are letting fear and panic rule their judgement, either that or they just have no common sense. A bumper sticker is not a cause for police response, no matter what it says.

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In this case, a "reasonable person" (or someone that wasn't a doped up college student listening to crappy bands) would realize that a sticker proclaiming an object to be an explosive device (there are no common alternative meanings for "pipe bomb". You don't say "that movie was a pipe bomb") would consistute a threat to public safety - in much the same way that shouting "fire" would.


Without seeing a picture of the sticker in question, you simply can't say that. If this was a peice of torn out paper with "this bike is a pipe bomb" scrawled on it, then maybe. If this was a standard bumper sticker or similar, even if it only had these words and nothing else on it, then this is total rubbish. Any "reasonable person" will instantly recognize a bumper sticker, regardless of what it said. When's the last time a terrorist used a glossy plastic sheet with adhesive on one side and professional print?

*Assuming* this was a normal bumper sticker or similar, then the response of the university police was nothing more than paranoid idiocy.

EDIT: As far as I can tell with google, this appears to be the sticker in question. References are made to this being the band's sticker here. White print on green glossy plastic, doesn't look particularly threatening to me.



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In this case, a "reasonable person" (or someone that wasn't a doped up college student listening to crappy bands) would realize that a sticker proclaiming an object to be an explosive device (there are no common alternative meanings for "pipe bomb". You don't say "that movie was a pipe bomb") would consistute a threat to public safety - in much the same way that shouting "fire" would.


Without seeing a picture of the sticker in question, you simply can't say that. If this was a peice of torn out paper with "this bike is a pipe bomb" scrawled on it, then maybe. If this was a standard bumper sticker or similar, even if it only had these words and nothing else on it, then this is total rubbish. Any "reasonable person" will instantly recognize a bumper sticker, regardless of what it said. When's the last time a terrorist used a glossy plastic sheet with adhesive on one side and professional print?

*Assuming* this was a normal bumper sticker or similar, then the response of the university police was nothing more than paranoid idiocy.

That makes absolutely no sense. It should be fairly obvious that putting a sticker proclaiming "this bike is a pipe bomb" on a bike and leaving it in a public place probably isn't the best thing to do, and it's his own fault. This is exactly like yelling out "fire" on an airplane--the medium on which it is presented is irrelevant.

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This is exactly like yelling out "fire" on an airplane--the medium on which it is presented is irrelevant.


So if someone walked in the cinema airplane wearing a shirt that said 'This building plane is on fire', would you run out screaming?

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This is exactly like yelling out "fire" on an airplane--the medium on which it is presented is irrelevant.


So if someone walked in the cinema airplane wearing a shirt that said 'This building plane is on fire', would you run out screaming?


THE PLANE IS ON FIRE?

OH GOD!

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So if someone walked in the cinema airplane wearing a shirt that said 'This building plane is on fire', would you run out screaming?


THE PLANE IS ON FIRE?

OH GOD!


Yeah, but since when were you considered a "reasonable person"?

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Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step outta line, the men come, and take you away


Nice; although 'afraid' and 'away' don't really rhyme.
Ouch. You did not just insult Buffalo Springfield, did you?

Anyways, I can't blame the authorities for what happened. And it's not like college students don't ever make bombs, you know. Most of those that do signal their intentions (and as for the bumper sticker style - it's not like they don't have access to printers!).

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White print on green glossy plastic, doesn't look particularly threatening to me.
Um. What if it was red type on white paper...? Would that be threatening enough?

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Ouch. You did not just insult Buffalo Springfield, did you?


Looks like he didn't catch the reference...

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hahaha I actually like This Bike is a Pipe Bomb... I think I have a couple stickers of them I got from No Idea (their record label) when I bought some stuff from them. They are pretty harmless, I mean they aren't like warning stickers. Kinda crazy that someone would get in trouble for having one.

Good folk/punk though

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So if someone walked in the cinema airplane wearing a shirt that said 'This building plane is on fire', would you run out screaming?


THE PLANE IS ON FIRE?

OH GOD!


Yeah, but since when were you considered a "reasonable person"?


Since your mother.

With love, AnonymousPosterChild

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