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 |   lmelior
Member since: 6/16/2008 From: Phoenix, AZ | |||
Posted - 11/25/2009 1:25:31 PM | ||||
Quote:Only for you Brits (and everybody else) this week. Many of us Yanks have the next two days off for consuming vast amounts of food (even more than we already do, I mean) and recovering by way of tryptophan-induced comas. I, for one, intend to eat enough food tomorrow to feed a small African village for a month, and then proceeding to pass out in the recliner pretending to care about football. Anybody else think the people that visited Facebook on their 360's just did it once because they could? Kinda like I installed Playstation Home, went there one day and never went back? | ||||
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 | Gaiiden GDNet Content Lead
Member since: 8/30/2000 From: Lincroft, NJ | |||
Posted - 11/25/2009 5:36:42 PM | ||||
Quote: Dammit you beat me to this one so I'll just say it here - I look forward to the latest numbers bragging battle once Sony gets their first week Facebook results. | ||||
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| BLiTZWiNG
Member since: 4/10/2006 From: Brisbane, Queensland | |||
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Posted - 11/25/2009 6:16:16 PM | ||||
| How do you use facebook without a keyboard? | ||||
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| frob
Member since: 3/12/2005 From: Salt Lake City, UT | |||
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Posted - 11/25/2009 6:22:42 PM | ||||
Quote:Expect that to change on Friday, and expect Wii to do better than the other consoles over the season. I understand the appeal. My kids and wife love the system, and that's where the Wii core is at. Young kids don't have the disposable income to buy games all the time. Parents don't generally spend money for their kids unless they have a reason to. Wii games are giftable items. They are for people who cannot afford to buy them, or for the moms who normally wouldn't spend the money on themselves. Most PS3 and X360 games are less giftable. A grandma is not going to feel comfortable buying titles like "Modern Warfare 2" or "Left 4 Dead 2" for little Jimmy, especially considering the cover art. They will have no problem buying titles like "Little King's Story" or "Dawn of Discovery ", or even "New Super Mario Bros." I've been asked by both my mother and mother-in-law to help decide which Wii games to get for their grandchildren. That's 24 grandkids total. Seeing as both of the grandma's are big spenders for the holidays, each spending $500 on games would not surprise me. I expect Wii games sales to jump for a month --- again. | ||||
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| Hodgman
Member since: 2/14/2007 From: Melbourne, Victoria | |||
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Posted - 11/25/2009 7:56:37 PM | ||||
Quote:You don't need a keyboard to read inane crap from people you hardly know. | ||||
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 | evolutional Moderator - Alternative Game Libraries
Member since: 1/25/2002 From: Leeds, West Yorkshire | |||
Posted - 11/26/2009 2:58:58 AM | ||||
[quote]Original post by lmeliorQuote: I wouldn't be too surprised. I did exactly the same thing with Home. I do expect to see lots of Facebook "bragging" by games though, assuming there's an API for it anyway. Imagine getting notified everytime some of your contacts get an achievement. Can't wait :/ | ||||
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| evolutional Moderator - Alternative Game Libraries
Member since: 1/25/2002 From: Leeds, West Yorkshire | |||
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Posted - 11/26/2009 3:01:12 AM | ||||
Quote: I'd say I agreed with that assessment. Being more family-friendly and having a different core does yield different retail patterns than, as you say, the 360 or PS3. It'd be interesting to see the stories next week "Wii bounces back in holiday season boom". | ||||
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 | krez GDNet+
Member since: 10/10/2001 From: NJ - The Garbage State | |||
Posted - 11/26/2009 6:52:26 AM | ||||
| ...based on a poll of just over 2000 people... I don't understand the people who hate the Wii. For the price (especially at launch vs the other "next gen" consoles) how is it so offensive that some people enjoy quality and good gameplay instead of kicked-up graphics and more shooting-everything games? | ||||
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| Imgelling
Member since: 2/17/2007 From: Lexington, KY | |||
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Posted - 11/26/2009 9:45:50 AM | ||||
| I admit the Wii has some fun single player games...but it is more fun in a group setting. It got to the point of mine sitting around doing nothing till some people came over. I then proceeded to sell it for more than I paid for it and got a 360. Now if I want to play some Wii, I just go to | ||||
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| frob
Member since: 3/12/2005 From: Salt Lake City, UT | |||
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Posted - 11/26/2009 1:27:58 PM | ||||
Quote: It is a common but unenlightened ideology. The common vocal attitude is that if you buy a "competing" console you are somehow changing sides. I've heard otherwise intelligent people arguing about how they won't change their allegiance and buy the other system, somehow reasoning that they are turning their back against the system they love. I have read articles and blog posts that follow the reasoning: "I love my 360. but I was playing LitleBigPlanet at my friends house and it was fun. Now I feel dirty because I WANT to buy a PS3 as well, but I just can’t bring myself to buy a product spawned by the devil." According to the reasoning, if they accept that the Wii is a good system they are denying the others. More mature individuals can understand that each system has its own benefits, and that all systems can peacefully co-exist. There is no sin in having an Atari 2600 going through an adapter and plugged into the same TV as your 360, PS3, and original NES. Also observe that those who are most dead-set against the Wii have problems understanding why Grandma really should get a Dell or HP generic cheap computer, don't understand how anybody could be happy with anything smaller than dual 24" monitors, and think any computer with video card older than the last six months is garbage. | ||||
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| zedz
Member since: 2/15/2007 | |||
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Posted - 11/26/2009 3:26:18 PM | ||||
| >>Expect that to change on Friday, and expect Wii to do better than the other consoles over the season. not for non nintendo studios part of the reaosn why "EA Montreal is cutting back its support for the Wii" two recent huge titles in the UK (COD:MW2, fifa10) sales numbers were like xbox360 52% ps3 43% ps2 + wii + pc == 5% together | ||||
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| swiftcoder
Member since: 7/3/2003 From: Boston, MA | |||
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Posted - 11/26/2009 3:54:22 PM | ||||
Quote:And surely they can't expect it to be any different? Core shooters and sports simulations are not the Wii's target audience, so of course they are going to be sales flops… | ||||
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| Xest
Member since: 8/14/2000 From: United Kingdom | |||
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Posted - 11/27/2009 5:43:10 AM | ||||
| I hate the Wii because it was a let down. I pre-ordered on release and got it release day being extremely excited for it having seen months of hype of this awesome new control system. Finally I'd be able to get so much more involved in shooters, in the storyline and so on, it looked to be the biggest change in gaming for a long long while. But then those games with the deep interesting storylines never really came, the quirks in the control system started to show, you started having to spend a small fortune for each and every addon that came out to fix the quirks. Put simply it was a lost opportunity, it had so much potential and all we ended up with was a bunch of stupid mini-games for the most part. The few proper games were just too few and far between. I thought at first it was just because the console was new but as time has gone on the games for people like me who like deep, interesting storylines just never materialised. So I hate it, because for me, it was the biggest gaming dissapoint of the last decade and really, I feel like all the money I spent on it and controllers + addons was just a complete waste of money. So here I am back on the 360, with a classic console control scheme enjoying it far more, because barely a week goes by without a game that has a storyline with a lot of depth to it, boosted by some amazing visuals. Nintendo's refusal to support the mature gaming market is their bottleneck, meanwhile Microsoft and Sony are increasing their creep into the casual market. Nintendo seems to work in cycles- they go quiet and irrelevant for years then come up with something fantastic like the Wii, then get complacent and vanish into irrelevance again. I thought the Wii may break this cycle as it was arguably their biggest innovation yet, but it seems not, because when you look at their last E3 showing the reality is that they really had nothing to show, whilst Microsoft and Sony had Natal and Sony's motion control system. Nintendo seems doomed to continue this cycle of innovation follows by irrelevance followed by innovation that has plagued them throughout their existence. | ||||
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| frob
Member since: 3/12/2005 From: Salt Lake City, UT | |||
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Posted - 11/28/2009 12:56:49 AM | ||||
Quote:Sales numbers and installed market base disagree with that statement. They've been beating the other console makers, usually better than a 2:1 sales ratio, for THREE YEARS. It has outpaced the installed base of all the other platforms. The same is true for the DS and it's closest (*cough*) competitor. The DS is five years old and has a bajillion units and still selling a half-million every month. (It is closer to 1/8 of a BILLION units but close enough to a bajillion.) So even though they might have missed that market (I think they hit fairly well) they are doing something better than the rest. The 360 and PS3 have a core audience of males age 16-30, tending toward violent games. They have a small number of games outside that range, sure, but that is not where companies put their development and marketing dollars. The Wii has a core audience of just about everybody else. That is -- females from all ages and males who are young enough or old enough to not care exclusively about the games featured on the other platforms. While hardcore gamers tend to think of things like the balance board as gimicks, they should note that they ARE the mature market. Once you hit about 30 you realize that you need to move your body. Just look at the sales of fitness games and the balance board; it's been out a year and they still can't keep them on shelves. You are right that they have avoided the males age 16-30. But that market was saturated anyway. They provide entertainment for everybody else, and that is a huge market that isn't going away. | ||||
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