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#Actualwodinoneeye

Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:03 PM

I recall the incident that apalled me (years ago) was a posting in 'the lounge' (I recall some opinion about use of a-bomb in WW2, motives/reason that wouldnt raise an eyebrow in a real politics oriented forum ) that in one day drove my rating down 150-200 points (which I had earned by many helpful posting to beginners forum and some from the more contentious game design forum) seemingly disproportionately negative (for one posting of opinion and some qualifiing answer posts) --- all in a subject having nothing to do with game development.

I though if I wanted to 'get even' I could create a hundred shill accounts and down mark like crazy - automate it even -- but then eh that would simply be a waste of my time with such petty disturbed people (intelligence in one area can be offset by stupidity and foolishness in others....). SO I ignored the dimwits and their petty games (and hence my sig line thats been there now for years)



"The effect of votes is weighted based upon the reputation of the voting user. Votes from a higher rated user have a greater effect on the reputation of the target user than votes from a lower-rated user. I'm not sure of the exact threshold, but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation. They can still vote on posts but it won't have any actual effect."

that might of been the effect years ago ( a few high rateds - rating each other up for all I know gouged my rating --- heh they must feel soooo powerful heheh) -- but that itself might be a major distortion as why should expertise/acclaim in one area neccessarily translate into MORE rating influence in another ??



"but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation"

No effect ?? So they also damage and invalidate the downgraded persons ability to rate ?? Another potential defect/dispropotion.


Its like in so many online games the griefers/abusers cause the game to be nerfed into patheticness.



"I'll add checking your reputation (and that topic in particular) to my to-do list"

its no big deal, Im more interested in the rating system's design than any effect it might have on any rating I might have (before playing around with it this last day I dont think I even rated anybody or that much paid attention to the number). For me ,what postings say actually being the importatnt thing and a realization that not everyone thinks the same way or can even present what they want to say clearly

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Similar problems exist with any complaint system in MMORPGs where any reporting mechanism (particularly largely automated ones) are subject to just more destructive griefer loopholer's behavior (just another channel to be turned against normal players) and any effective enforcement really requires actual GM interventions, which game companies are generally loath and disinclined to pay for..

#5wodinoneeye

Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:57 PM

I recall the incident that apalled me (years ago) was a posting in 'the lounge' (I recall some opinion about use of a-bomb in WW2, motives/reason that wouldnt raise an eyebrow in a real politics oriented forum ) that in one day drove my rating down 150-200 points (which I had earned by many helpful posting to beginners forum and some from the more contentious game design forum) seemingly disproportionately negative (for one posting of opinion and some qualifiing answer posts) --- all in a subject having nothing to do with game development.

I though if I wanted to 'get even' I could create a hundred shill accounts and down mark like crazy - automate it even -- but then eh that would simply be a waste of my time with such petty disturbed people (intelligence in one area can be offset by stupidity and foolishness in others....). SO I ignored the dimwits and their petty games (and hence my sig line thats been there now for years)



"The effect of votes is weighted based upon the reputation of the voting user. Votes from a higher rated user have a greater effect on the reputation of the target user than votes from a lower-rated user. I'm not sure of the exact threshold, but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation. They can still vote on posts but it won't have any actual effect."

that might of been the effect years ago ( a few high rateds - rating each other up for all I know gouged my rating --- heh they must feel soooo powerful heheh) -- but that itself might be a major distortion as why should expertise/acclaim in one area neccessarily translate into MORE rating influence in another ??



"but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation"

No effect ?? So they also damage and invalidate the downgraded persons ability to rate ?? Another potential defect/dispropotion.


Its like in so many online games the griefers/abusers cause the game to be nerfed into patheticness.



"I'll add checking your reputation (and that topic in particular) to my to-do list"

its no big deal, Im more interested in the rating system's design than any effect it might have on any rating I might have (before playing around with it this last day I dont think I even rated anybody or much paid attention to the number). What postings say actually being the importatnt thing.

Similar problems exist with any complaint system in MMORPGs where any reporting mechanism (particularly largely automated ones) is subject to just more destructive griefer loopholer's behavior (just another channel to be turned against normal players) and any enforcement really requiring actual GM interventions, which game companies are generally loath and disinclined to pay for..

#4wodinoneeye

Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:51 PM

I recall the incident that apalled me (years ago) was a posting in 'the lounge' (I recall some opinion about use of a-bomb in WW2, motives/reason that wouldnt raise an eyebrow in a real politics oriented forum ) that in one day drove my rating down 150-200 points (which I had earned by many helpful posting to beginners forum and some from the more contentious game design forum) seemingly disproportionately negative (for one posting of opinion and some qualifiing answer posts) --- all in a subject having nothing to do with game development.

I though if I wanted to 'get even' I could create a hundred shill accounts and down mark like crazy - automate it even -- but then eh that would simply be a waste of my time with such petty disturbed people (intelligence in one area can be offset by stupidity and foolishness in others....). SO I ignored the dimwits and their petty games (and hence my sig line thats been there now for years)



"The effect of votes is weighted based upon the reputation of the voting user. Votes from a higher rated user have a greater effect on the reputation of the target user than votes from a lower-rated user. I'm not sure of the exact threshold, but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation. They can still vote on posts but it won't have any actual effect."

that might of been the effect years ago ( a few high rateds - rating each other up for all I know gouged my rating --- heh they must feel soooo powerful heheh) -- but that itself might be a major distortion as why should expertise/acclaim in one area neccessarily translate into MORE rating influence in another ??



"but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation"

No effect ?? So they also damage and invalidate the downgraded persons ability to rate ?? Another potential defect/dispropotion.


Its like in so many online games the griefers/abusers cause the game to be nerfed into patheticness.



"I'll add checking your reputation (and that topic in particular) to my to-do list"

its no big deal, Im more interested in the rating system's design than any effect it might have on any rating I might have (before playing around with it this last day I dont think I even rated anybody or much paid attention to the number). What the postings say actually being the importatnt thing.

#3wodinoneeye

Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:46 PM

I recall the incident that apalled me (years ago) was a posting in 'the lounge' (I recall some opinion about use of a-bomb in WW2, motives/reason that wouldnt raise an eyebrow in a real politics oriented forum ) that in one day drove my rating down 150-200 points (which I had earned by many helpful posting to beginners forum and some from the more contentious game design forum) seemingly disproportionately negative (for one posting of opinion and some qualifiing answer posts) --- all in a subject having nothing to do with game development.

I though if I wanted to 'get even' I could create a hundred shill accounts and down mark like crazy - automate it even -- but then eh that would simply be a waste of my time with such petty disturbed people (intelligence in one area can be offset by stupidity and foolishness in others....). SO I ignored the dimwits and their petty games (and hence my sig line thats been there now for years)



"The effect of votes is weighted based upon the reputation of the voting user. Votes from a higher rated user have a greater effect on the reputation of the target user than votes from a lower-rated user. I'm not sure of the exact threshold, but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation. They can still vote on posts but it won't have any actual effect."

that might of been the effect years ago ( a few high rateds - rating each other up for all I know gouged my rating --- heh they must feel soooo powerful heheh) -- but that itself might be a major distortion as why should expertise/acclaim in one area neccessarily translate into MORE rating influence in another ??



"but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation"

No effect ?? So they also damage and invalidate the downgraded persons ability to rate ?? Another potential defect/dispropotion.


Its like in so many online games the griefers/abusers cause the game to be nerfed into patheticness.

#2wodinoneeye

Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:41 PM

I recall the incident that apalled me (years ago) was a posting in 'the lounge' (I recall some opinion about use of a-bomb in WW2, motives/reason that wouldnt raise an eyebrow in a real politics oriented forum ) that in one day drove my rating down 150-200 points (which I had earned by many helpful posting to beginners forum and some from the more contentious game design forum) seemingly disproportionately negative (for one posting of opinion and some qualifiing answer posts) --- all in a subject having nothing to do with game development.

I though if I wanted to 'get even' I could create a hundred shill accounts and down mark like crazy - automate it even -- but then eh that would simply be a waste of my time with such petty disturbed people (intelligence in one area can be offset by stupidity and foolishness in others....). SO I ignored the dimwits and their petty games (and hence my sig line thats been there now for years)



"The effect of votes is weighted based upon the reputation of the voting user. Votes from a higher rated user have a greater effect on the reputation of the target user than votes from a lower-rated user. I'm not sure of the exact threshold, but the votes of users with a low reputation won't have any effect on other user's reputation. They can still vote on posts but it won't have any actual effect."

that might of been the effect years ago ( a few high rateds - rating each other up for all I know gouged my rating --- heh they must feel soooo powerful heheh) -- but that itself might be a major distortion as why should expertise/acclaim in one area neccessarily translate into MORE rating influence in another ??

#1wodinoneeye

Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:36 PM

I recall the incident that apalled me (years ago) was a posting in 'the lounge' (I recall some opinion about use of a-bomb in WW2, motives/reason that wouldnt raise an eyebrow in a real politics oriented forum ) that in one day drove my rating down 150-200 points (which I had earned by many helpful posting to beginners forum and some from the more contentious game design forum) seemingly disproportionately negative (for one posting of opinion and some qualifiing answer posts) --- all in a subject having nothing to do with game development.

I though if I wanted to 'get even' I could create a hundred shill accounts and down mark like crazy - automate it even -- but then eh that would simply be a waste of my time with such petty disturbed people (intelligence in one area can be offset by stupidity and foolishness in others....). SO I ignored the dimwits and their petty games (and hence my sig line thats been there now for years)

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