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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

The Chinese are diligent, and they have been working hard on getting ownership on anything they could grasp, reducing fertility, and increasing the incidence of obesity and diabetes for three decades. You don't seriously believe that decades of phtalates, lead, mercury, and other stealthy poisons in exported baby toys are purely accidential, do you? You don't assume that exporting high-arsenic high-glucose rice and keeping/importing (e.g. from India) the low-arsenic-low-glucose one for one's self is an incident? You don't believe that the massive increase (during the last decade) of corn starch addition to nearly every food that you can buy in a supermarket was a coincidence?


Wow, not only paranoid, but borderline racist too!


American Progressive:
Progressives want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Progressives tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.


While some of this is true, you have a couple of fundamental misunderstandings.

First up, progressives want the right amount of government. Not "big government". They do not want government to have "great deal of power over individual behavior". Over the economy? Hell, yes. Look at where getting rid of Glass Stegall has gotten you. And the "disastrous Progressive Era"? You mean the 50 or so years that heralded some of mankinds greatest advancements in science, culture, civil rights and prosperity? God forbid we go back to that.

Second, progressives do not "oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties".

That's conservatives (by definition).

Conservatives are the ones who don't want to give equal rights to homosexuals. Conservatives are the ones who believe that women shouldn't have control over their own
bodies.

Freedom is not just the right to do whatever you like. It's also about protecting rights.

Libertarians believe that businesses should be free to discriminate by race, gender, sexual orientation. Progressives believe you should be free from such discrimination.
Libertarians believe that businesses should be free to conduct their business how they see fit. Progressives believe that people and the environment should be free from corporate threats.

#1ChaosEngine

Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

The Chinese are diligent, and they have been working hard on getting ownership on anything they could grasp, reducing fertility, and increasing the incidence of obesity and diabetes for three decades. You don't seriously believe that decades of phtalates, lead, mercury, and other stealthy poisons in exported baby toys are purely accidential, do you? You don't assume that exporting high-arsenic high-glucose rice and keeping/importing (e.g. from India) the low-arsenic-low-glucose one for one's self is an incident? You don't believe that the massive increase (during the last decade) of corn starch addition to nearly every food that you can buy in a supermarket was a coincidence?


Wow, not only paranoid, but borderline racist too!


American Progressive:
Progressives want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Progressives tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.


While some of this is true, you have a couple of fundamental misunderstandings.

First up, progressives want the right amount of government. Not "big government". They do no want government to have "great deal of power over individual behavior". Over the economy? Hell, yes. Look at where getting rid of Glass Stegall has gotten you. And the "disastrous Progressive Era"? You mean the 50 or so years that heralded some of mankinds greatest advancements in science, culture, civil rights and prosperity? God forbid we go back to that.

Second, progressives do not "oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties".

That's conservatives (by definition).

Conservatives are the ones who don't want to give equal rights to homosexuals. Conservatives are the ones who believe that women shouldn't have control over their own
bodies.

Freedom is not just the right to do whatever you like. It's also about protecting rights.

Libertarians believe that businesses should be free to discriminate by race, gender, sexual orientation. Progressives believe you should be free from such discrimination.
Libertarians believe that businesses should be free to conduct their business how they see fit. Progressives believe that people and the environment should be free from corporate threats.

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