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#ActualJacob Jingle

Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:32 PM

View PostJacob Jingle, on 29 November 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:
American Progressive:
Progressives want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Progressives tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.

While some of this is true, you have a couple of fundamental misunderstandings.

First up, progressives want the right amount of government. Not "big government". They do not want government to have "great deal of power over individual behavior". Over the economy?

What the Democrats(Left wing of Progressive Party) don't want the Republicans(Right wing of Progressive Party) do. (All my comments are in the context of America, I don't know or care about progressives from other countries. None of my business)

Hell, yes. Look at where getting rid of Glass Stegall has gotten you.

I would say world governments dumping trillions into the housing market had more to do with it. (They stole from Peter, used the money to bankrupt Paul and bailed out Nero)
http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/five-myths-about-glass-steagall

And the "disastrous Progressive Era"? You mean the 50 or so years that heralded some of mankinds greatest advancements in science, culture, civil rights and prosperity?

You might want to turn off the blinders and see what this period really brought to America.

God forbid we go back to that.

Again, that period might have been good for your country, but It was anything but Progressive for America (Eugenics, Statism, Segregation, internment camps, etc).

Second, progressives do not "oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties".

Affirmative action, racial quotas, the right to be married in any church, redistribution of wealth, etc. Progressives see nothing wrong with taking freedom/liberty from one to give to another. (Again, American context)

That's conservatives (by definition).

The Neo-Conservative movement, which is what you're talking about, is nothing more than the right wing of the Progressive Party. Classical Conservatism is dead.

Note: the Progressive Era gave us gays being thrown into insane asylums where they suffered lobotomies, castrations, etc. It was a regressive period.

#2Jacob Jingle

Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:32 PM

View PostJacob Jingle, on 29 November 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:
American Progressive:
Progressives want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Progressives tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.

While some of this is true, you have a couple of fundamental misunderstandings.

First up, progressives want the right amount of government. Not "big government". They do not want government to have "great deal of power over individual behavior". Over the economy?

What the Democrats(Left wing of Progressive Party) don't want the Republicans(Right wing of Progressive Party) do. (All my comments are in the context of America, I don't know or care about progressives from other countries. None of my business)

Hell, yes. Look at where getting rid of Glass Stegall has gotten you.

I would say world governments dumping trillions into the housing market had more to do with it. (They stole from Peter, used the money to bankrupt Paul and bailed out Nero)
http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/five-myths-about-glass-steagall

And the "disastrous Progressive Era"? You mean the 50 or so years that heralded some of mankinds greatest advancements in science, culture, civil rights and prosperity?

You might want to turn off the blinders and see what this period really brought to America.

God forbid we go back to that.

Again, that period might have been good for your country, but It was anything but Progressive for America (Eugenics, Statism, Segregation, internment camps, etc).

Second, progressives do not "oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties".

Affirmative action, racial quotas, the right to be married in any church, redistribution of wealth, etc. Progressives see nothing wrong with taking freedom/liberty from one to give to another. (Again, American context)

That's conservatives (by definition).

The Neo-Conservative movement, which is what you're talking about, is nothing more than the right wing of the Progressive Party. Classical Conservatism is dead.

Note: the Progressive Era gave us gays being thrown into insane asylums where they suffered lobotomies, castrations, etc. It was a regressive period.

#1Jacob Jingle

Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:54 AM

View PostJacob Jingle, on 29 November 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:
American Progressive:
Progressives want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Progressives tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.

While some of this is true, you have a couple of fundamental misunderstandings.

First up, progressives want the right amount of government. Not "big government". They do not want government to have "great deal of power over individual behavior". Over the economy?

What the Democrats(Left wing of Progressive Party) don't want the Republicans(Right wing of Progressive Party) do. (All my comments are in the context of America, I don't know or care about progressives from other countries. None of my business)

Hell, yes. Look at where getting rid of Glass Stegall has gotten you.

I would say world governments dumping trillions into the housing market had more to do with it. (They stole from Peter, used the money to bankrupt Paul and bailed out Nero)
http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/five-myths-about-glass-steagall

And the "disastrous Progressive Era"? You mean the 50 or so years that heralded some of mankinds greatest advancements in science, culture, civil rights and prosperity?

You might want to turn off the blinders and see what this period really brought to America.

God forbid we go back to that.

Again, that period might have been good for your country, but It was anything but Progressive for America (Eugenics, Statism, Segregation, internment camps, etc).

Second, progressives do not "oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties".

Affirmative action, racial quotas, the right to be married in any church, redistribution of wealth, etc. Progressives see nothing wrong with taking freedom/liberty from one to give to another. (Again, American context)

That's conservatives (by definition).

The Neo-Conservative movement, which is what your talking about, is nothing more than the right wing of the Progressive Party. Classical Conservatism is dead.

Note: the Progressive Era gave us gays being thrown into insane asylums where they suffered lobotomies, castrations, etc. It was a regressive period.

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