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#ActualL. Spiro

Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

Living in space if it was Suppose to happen God would of put man on other planets too.

By that logic, if we were supposed to eat, God would have put the food into our mouths.
If we were supposed to walk, God would move our legs for us.

The whole “God would have done it for us” argument is one of the worst rebuttals there is. Even if you believe in God it only proves my point: We obviously have the ability to do things without having some God do it for us.
#1: If you are so hung up pretending to know God’s plans, then move out of your home and discard your clothes, money, and personal belongings. God didn’t make your house, so it is obviously not His intention that you live in it.
#2: Even if there was a God that line of logic would only be used against you. God does not put food into your mouth for you. You have the ability to do it on your own, and it apparently is not against his will. God didn’t make your house. Humans have the ability to do that for themselves, and it is apparently not against his will. Likewise, we have the ability to travel to Mars, and who are you to say if it is his will or not? As far as I am concerned, ignoring the obvious fact that we have certain physical and mental abilities as well as physical and mental limitations makes it obvious that whatever we were not “meant” to do is defined by what we physically and mentally can’t do. It’s obvious. To ignore that is your way of showing mistrust in God’s plan. Or do you want to openly claim that God is imperfect?


“If God wanted us to…” is historically the worst argument that can be made against anything, after, “Because I said so.”


I wonder nobody sees the fallacy. The main selling point is that it's comparatively "cheap" due to that kind of lottery they do. Seeing how there is no trip home planned... tell me what does the price matter at all? For any "no way to return" trip which is not a con, they could ask any amount of money they want.

People would not mind giving all their money, because there is no returning home, and the money is worth nothing on Mars.

I think you missed something. The astronauts not only do not pay anything, they get paid a salary during the 10 years of training, and it is likely to be quite hefty.
You can spend your money from Mars. When you want something you buy it and it will be sent on the next shuttle, as long as it is within reason as far as payload cargo goes.
Since it televised, they also have an obligation to actually send people to Mars. That will be televised as well.
Additionally, they will send multiple unmanned ships to Mars before the main launch. If they don’t do that, people will back out. If they do do it, it is obviously not a hoax.


I think you should wait until these milestones have been met:
1. First person to land on Mars.
2. First person to return from Mars.
3. First person to die on Mars.
4. First person to commit suicide on Mars.
5. First person to commit murder on Mars.
Then, it will be like home sweet home.

If I wanted it to be like home, I would stay home.
Besides, part of the point is to be a part of history. That means not letting those milestones be given to other people.


L. Spiro

#2L. Spiro

Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:33 PM

Living in space if it was Suppose to happen God would of put man on other planets too.

By that logic, if we were supposed to eat, God would have put the food into our mouths.
If we were supposed to walk, God would move our legs for us.

The whole “God would have done it for us” argument is one of the worst rebuttals there is. Even if you believe in God it only proves my point: We obviously have the ability to do things without having some God do it for us.
#1: If you are so hung up pretending to know God’s plans, then move out of your home and discard your clothes, money, and personal belongings. God didn’t make your house, so it is obviously not His intention that you live in it.
#2: Even if there was a God that line of logic would only be used against you. God does not put food into your mouth for you. You have the ability to do it on your own, and it apparently is not against his will. God didn’t make your house. Humans have the ability to do that for themselves, and it is apparently not against his will. Likewise, we have the ability to travel to Mars, and who are you to say if it is his will or not? As far as I am concerned, ignoring the obvious fact that we have certain physical and mental abilities as well as physical and mental limitations makes it obvious that whatever we were not “meant” to do is defined by what we physically and mentally can’t do. It’s obvious. To ignore that is your way of showing mistrust in God’s plan. Or do you want to openly claim that God is imperfect?


“If God wanted us to…” is historically the worst argument that can be made against anything, after, “Because I said so.”


I wonder nobody sees the fallacy. The main selling point is that it's comparatively "cheap" due to that kind of lottery they do. Seeing how there is no trip home planned... tell me what does the price matter at all? For any "no way to return" trip which is not a con, they could ask any amount of money they want.

People would not mind giving all their money, because there is no returning home, and the money is worth nothing on Mars.

I think you missed something. The astronauts not only do not pay anything, they get paid a salary during the 10 years of training, and it is likely to be quite hefty.
You can spend your money from Mars. When you want something you buy it and it will be sent on the next shuttle, as long as it is within reason as far as payload cargo goes.
Since it televised, they also have an obligation to actually send people to Mars. That will be televised as well.
Additionally, they will send multiple unmanned ships to Mars before the main launch. If they don’t do that, people will back out. If they do do it, it is obviously not a hoax.


L. Spiro

#1L. Spiro

Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:33 PM

Living in space if it was Suppose to happen God would of put man on other planets too.

By that logic, if we were supposed to eat, God would have put the food into our mouths.
If we were supposed to walk, God would move our legs for us.

The whole “God would have done it for us” argument is one of the worst rebuttals there is. Even if you believe in God it only proves my point: We obviously have the ability to do things without having some God do it for us.
#1: If you are so hung up pretending to know God’s plans, then move out of your home and discard your clothes, money, and personal belongings. God didn’t make your house, so it is obviously not His intention that you live in it.
#2: Even if there was a God that line of logic would only be used against you. God does not put food into your mouth for you. You have the ability to do it on your own, and it apparently is not against his will. God didn’t make your house. Humans have the ability to do that for themselves, and it is apparently not against his will. Likewise, we have the ability to travel to Mars, and who are you to say if it is his will or not? As far as I am concerned, ignoring the obvious fact that we have certain physical and mental abilities as well as physical and mental limitations makes it obvious that whatever we were not “meant” to do is defined by what we physically and mentally can’t do. It’s obvious. To ignore that is your way of showing mistrust in God’s plan. Or do you want to openly claim that God is imperfect?


“If God wanted us to…” is historically the worst argument that can be made against anything, after, “Because I said do.”


I wonder nobody sees the fallacy. The main selling point is that it's comparatively "cheap" due to that kind of lottery they do. Seeing how there is no trip home planned... tell me what does the price matter at all? For any "no way to return" trip which is not a con, they could ask any amount of money they want.

People would not mind giving all their money, because there is no returning home, and the money is worth nothing on Mars.

I think you missed something. The astronauts not only do not pay anything, they get paid a salary during the 10 years of training, and it is likely to be quite hefty.
You can spend your money from Mars. When you want something you buy it and it will be sent on the next shuttle, as long as it is within reason as far as payload cargo goes.
Since it televised, they also have an obligation to actually send people to Mars. That will be televised as well.
Additionally, they will send multiple unmanned ships to Mars before the main launch. If they don’t do that, people will back out. If they do do it, it is obviously not a hoax.


L. Spiro

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