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#Actualkryotech

Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

So some nations have nuclear warheads and decide that others are not allowed to have them. Who are naive enough to believe that nations without nuclear warheads will accept this? By denying nations without nuclear weapon technology getting the technology nations with this tech keeps a certain strategic advantage and power compared to the nation without the nuclear weapon technology. This gives the nuclear nations a certain power during any peace negotiation or even just a negotiation about borders, treaties or business negotiations etc.

 

North Korea is aware of this, Iran is aware of this, in fact any official should be aware of this. Most nations who see themselves as big players in the international power play will try to get their hands on these nuclear weapons and use them to obtain a better position during any mutual negotiation nations between. It would be irrational not to do so as a nation who sees it self threaten by another alliance or force from abroad. 

 

Now in this case with North Korea we have a nation who meets sanctions on sanctions and therefore has problems getting the salt for the egg for its population. This means some North Korean people think that the world is punishing them and not the gov of North Korea.  The gov of North Korea sees their existence as legitimated according to their own world view and other nations sees it as a dictatorship. The have nuclear weapons and use them to show their power. Besides North Korea is not among the five permanent security members in UN and therefor not object to any decisions and thereby put them on halt. Here lies the issue, we have a system where certain nations can behave like they feel like and others not.

 

None the less a new nation has power to destroy cities with a single missile and feel it should be granted the same rights as other nations with this technology.

 

The situation is then this:

 

Should the world accept the situation and let go of sanctions, let the goods flow into North Korea so they can see the same growth as China, Vietnam and Russia?

Should the world say no and start a war?

Should the world keep on sanctioning North Korea and hope that the threats are empty?

What is they really think it is unfair to be met with sanctions and decides to start a war on it? 

 

Never forget how letting German pay for first world war back fired and second world war started, never forget that every single hard direct act or saying will create a counter reaction.

 

I say let down the muscles, let go of the sanctions, win by using soft power such as movies and music, cash and gifts. Use one generation to expose the North Koreans to economic growth and  prosper and then war thinking will no longer be an issue. The alternative is not productive or useful at all.

 

Besides all nations believe they need nuclear technology in order to protect themselves. It is a common thought among all military forces in all nations if they feel insecure about their neighbors intentions.  

 

Think about it...

 

Perhaps L. Spiro should take a vacation for a few weeks away from Asia and relax a little smile.png

 

Edit: for good orders sake, I do not agree with North Korea, I simply give an objective view on the reason to this situation and what could be done to do in order to solve the tense situation. My thinking is built upon the political philosophy called soft power which is in contrast to hard power.

 

I'm not really so sure if North Korea is a nation that can be won over that easily. It's not a question of letting go of sanctions. North Korea exists for the sole purpose of being opposed to the US and South Korea. If one can take away that opposition, then there is no real reason for North Korea to exist. It may as well be a part of South Korea to make one big Korea. No smart dictatorship will let go of that hatred, as the minute they let go of that hatred, they will lose power. While it is true that had there been no Korean War, there would be no North and South Korea, the fact is that it did happen, for whatever reason. If you have a nation that exists simply for the purpose of opposition to another (eg yours), then it's probably a bad idea to let them get nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are not as difficult to obtain today as before, and perhaps obtaining them grants a nation some leverage, but that doesn't mean that we should let people that have a deep hatred for others get them. In the long run, it is not realistic to pursue a nuclear containment policy, but there are certain governments that are too unstable to be trusted with nuclear weapons. Iran is definitely one of them, while North Korea is another. Certain governments have every intention of using nuclear weapons if they could obtain them.

 

 

 

As for the likelihood of war now, whatever the reason may be, the fact is that there are missiles on launchers that could be easily pointed and launched at South Korea, Japan, or Guam. Let's be honest, North Korea has not had long range delivery capabilities before. Now they do. This is new and it does change the situation. Moreover, North Korea has a new, untested leader. We do not know what he is likely to do. Suddenly all of those old reused threats and rhetoric might have meaning now, taken in this new context. Let's say that North Korea is trying to defend itself from aggression. What would aggression be? A South Korean ship looking the wrong way at a North Korean ship? An American aircraft coming to close to North Korean airspace? Or does it take more to be classified as aggression? Again, we do not know. This is not so much about North Korea making threats as it is about the rest of the world not knowing what these threats mean now. Before, we had a pretty good idea what those threats meant and how to avoid making them a reality. Now, we don't. I'm not saying that war is a certainty, rather I'm saying that there are many unknowns here that make prediction of events difficult. I am personally of the belief that Un will try a low intensity engagement, something along the lines of a small skirmish or something, but then he will suddenly back off. That's just my guess though. And I believe that's exactly what everyone is doing right now with regards to North Korea: they are guessing.


#1kryotech

Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:24 PM

So some nations have nuclear warheads and decide that others are not allowed to have them. Who are naive enough to believe that nations without nuclear warheads will accept this? By denying nations without nuclear weapon technology getting the technology nations with this tech keeps a certain strategic advantage and power compared to the nation without the nuclear weapon technology. This gives the nuclear nations a certain power during any peace negotiation or even just a negotiation about borders, treaties or business negotiations etc.

 

North Korea is aware of this, Iran is aware of this, in fact any official should be aware of this. Most nations who see themselves as big players in the international power play will try to get their hands on these nuclear weapons and use them to obtain a better position during any mutual negotiation nations between. It would be irrational not to do so as a nation who sees it self threaten by another alliance or force from abroad. 

 

Now in this case with North Korea we have a nation who meets sanctions on sanctions and therefore has problems getting the salt for the egg for its population. This means some North Korean people think that the world is punishing them and not the gov of North Korea.  The gov of North Korea sees their existence as legitimated according to their own world view and other nations sees it as a dictatorship. The have nuclear weapons and use them to show their power. Besides North Korea is not among the five permanent security members in UN and therefor not object to any decisions and thereby put them on halt. Here lies the issue, we have a system where certain nations can behave like they feel like and others not.

 

None the less a new nation has power to destroy cities with a single missile and feel it should be granted the same rights as other nations with this technology.

 

The situation is then this:

 

Should the world accept the situation and let go of sanctions, let the goods flow into North Korea so they can see the same growth as China, Vietnam and Russia?

Should the world say no and start a war?

Should the world keep on sanctioning North Korea and hope that the threats are empty?

What is they really think it is unfair to be met with sanctions and decides to start a war on it? 

 

Never forget how letting German pay for first world war back fired and second world war started, never forget that every single hard direct act or saying will create a counter reaction.

 

I say let down the muscles, let go of the sanctions, win by using soft power such as movies and music, cash and gifts. Use one generation to expose the North Koreans to economic growth and  prosper and then war thinking will no longer be an issue. The alternative is not productive or useful at all.

 

Besides all nations believe they need nuclear technology in order to protect themselves. It is a common thought among all military forces in all nations if they feel insecure about their neighbors intentions.  

 

Think about it...

 

Perhaps L. Spiro should take a vacation for a few weeks away from Asia and relax a little smile.png

 

Edit: for good orders sake, I do not agree with North Korea, I simply give an objective view on the reason to this situation and what could be done to do in order to solve the tense situation. My thinking is built upon the political philosophy called soft power which is in contrast to hard power.

 

 

So some nations have nuclear warheads and decide that others are not allowed to have them. Who are naive enough to believe that nations without nuclear warheads will accept this? By denying nations without nuclear weapon technology getting the technology nations with this tech keeps a certain strategic advantage and power compared to the nation without the nuclear weapon technology. This gives the nuclear nations a certain power during any peace negotiation or even just a negotiation about borders, treaties or business negotiations etc.

 

North Korea is aware of this, Iran is aware of this, in fact any official should be aware of this. Most nations who see themselves as big players in the international power play will try to get their hands on these nuclear weapons and use them to obtain a better position during any mutual negotiation nations between. It would be irrational not to do so as a nation who sees it self threaten by another alliance or force from abroad. 

 

Now in this case with North Korea we have a nation who meets sanctions on sanctions and therefore has problems getting the salt for the egg for its population. This means some North Korean people think that the world is punishing them and not the gov of North Korea.  The gov of North Korea sees their existence as legitimated according to their own world view and other nations sees it as a dictatorship. The have nuclear weapons and use them to show their power. Besides North Korea is not among the five permanent security members in UN and therefor not object to any decisions and thereby put them on halt. Here lies the issue, we have a system where certain nations can behave like they feel like and others not.

 

None the less a new nation has power to destroy cities with a single missile and feel it should be granted the same rights as other nations with this technology.

 

The situation is then this:

 

Should the world accept the situation and let go of sanctions, let the goods flow into North Korea so they can see the same growth as China, Vietnam and Russia?

Should the world say no and start a war?

Should the world keep on sanctioning North Korea and hope that the threats are empty?

What is they really think it is unfair to be met with sanctions and decides to start a war on it? 

 

Never forget how letting German pay for first world war back fired and second world war started, never forget that every single hard direct act or saying will create a counter reaction.

 

I say let down the muscles, let go of the sanctions, win by using soft power such as movies and music, cash and gifts. Use one generation to expose the North Koreans to economic growth and  prosper and then war thinking will no longer be an issue. The alternative is not productive or useful at all.

 

Besides all nations believe they need nuclear technology in order to protect themselves. It is a common thought among all military forces in all nations if they feel insecure about their neighbors intentions.  

 

Think about it...

 

Perhaps L. Spiro should take a vacation for a few weeks away from Asia and relax a little smile.png

 

Edit: for good orders sake, I do not agree with North Korea, I simply give an objective view on the reason to this situation and what could be done to do in order to solve the tense situation. My thinking is built upon the political philosophy called soft power which is in contrast to hard power.

 

I'm not really so sure if North Korea is a nation that can be won over that easily. It's not a question of letting go of sanctions. North Korea exists for the sole purpose of being opposed to the US and South Korea. If one can take away that opposition, then there is no real reason for North Korea to exist. It may as well be a part of South Korea to make one big Korea. No smart dictatorship will let go of that hatred, as the minute they let go of that hatred, they will lose power. While it is true that had there been no Korean War, there would be no North and South Korea, the fact is that it did happen, for whatever reason. If you have a nation that exists simply for the purpose of opposition to another (eg yours), then it's probably a bad idea to let them get nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are not as difficult to obtain today as before, and perhaps obtaining them grants a nation some leverage, but that doesn't mean that we should let people that have a deep hatred for others get them. In the long run, it is not realistic to pursue a nuclear containment policy, but there are certain governments that are too unstable to be trusted with nuclear weapons. Iran is definitely one of them, while North Korea is another. Certain governments have every intention of using nuclear weapons if they could obtain them.

 

As for the likelihood of war now, whatever the reason may be, the fact is that there are missiles on launchers that could be easily pointed and launched at South Korea, Japan, or Guam. Let's be honest, North Korea has not had long range delivery capabilities before. Now they do. This is new and it does change the situation. Moreover, North Korea has a new, untested leader. We do not know what he is likely to do. Suddenly all of those old reused threats and rhetoric might have meaning now, taken in this new context. Let's say that North Korea is trying to defend itself from aggression. What would aggression be? A South Korean ship looking the wrong way at a North Korean ship? An American aircraft coming to close to North Korean airspace? Or does it take more to be classified as aggression? Again, we do not know. This is not so much about North Korea making threats as it is about the rest of the world not knowing what these threats mean now. Before, we had a pretty good idea what those threats meant and how to avoid making them a reality. Now, we don't. I'm not saying that war is a certainty, rather I'm saying that there are many unknowns here that make prediction of events difficult. I am personally of the belief that Un will try a low intensity engagement, something along the lines of a small skirmish or something, but then he will suddenly back off. That's just my guess though. And I believe that's exactly what everyone is doing right now with regards to North Korea: they are guessing.


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