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#ActualHodgman

Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

The operative word in this case is during times of peace. During the 90's Saddam lived relatively untouched.

US strikes continue against Iraq during the 90's, including assassination attempts, and half a million Iraqis were indirectly killed through the 90's by US instigated blockades of medical supplies (which Albright is quoted in hindsight as saying was the right thing to do, despite it not actually working as intended, to overthrow Saddam). That's not very peaceful!

The justification is that US is at war with al-Qaeda, therefore it's ok to take out their operatives and leaders before they can kill themselves

Al Qaeda is a category, not a country, which means all the existing legal definitions of 'war' don't apply (which doesnt stop the US making new laws internally
To fit the situation though). This is a 'war' in the same way that the 'war on drugs' is...

US has been asking governments to publicly take responsibility for their killings?

Yes. One reason they want wikileaks gone so badly is the outing of stories like this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/yemen/8166610/WikiLeaks-Yemen-covered-up-US-drone-strikes.html
The full extent of US killings (and kidnappings, etc) is unknown because of this.

That's... not true. Unless you have a link to a document that actually states that the US fed can just off random US citizens as they see fit, then this must be some left-wing conspiracy theory.

It's just a quick google away! This should have been a major news story!
Obama has already had US citizens executed without trial.
http://www.salon.com/2010/04/07/assassinations_2/


Chile's 9/11,

Please don't tell me that you're a truther.
The date has a different significance in Chile.
But while we're at it, the majority of people think that there's something fishy about 9/11, just as with JFK, etc. Healthy skepticism is quite a bit different to being the guy that puts up the "THE PLANES WERE HOLOGRAMS" videos though :-P

... I take it you don't know the background reasons behind what caused the Arab Spring, yes?

I'm aware of the Arab spring, yes, but Lybia and Syria weren't just the masses rising up against their leaders like in Tunsinia or Egypt.
In Lybia, the shady shadow government that was instantly endorsed by western powers before anyone knew who they were, were funded by those western powers. We had special forces on the ground working against the dictator, and our planes overhead -- that makes it very different to the start of the spring!
Instead of a 3 month war followed by a civil war that we're stuck in for a decade, we hijacked the Arab spring to work as our own army - a few months of bombing, an execution that we can't be blamed for, and our pre-selected government installed, without the need to even be seen invading. That was much smarter than Iraq...

But... I don't get why you're dragging these facts out. How does this add to the original post?

it was in response to your claims that the US can't kill people outside of a war, which is demonstrably very false.

#1Hodgman

Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:35 PM

The operative word in this case is during times of peace. During the 90's Saddam lived relatively untouched.

US strike continues against Iraq during the 90's, including assassination attempts, and half a million Iraqis were indirectly killed by US instigated blockades of medical supplies (which Albright is quoted in hindsight as saying was the right thing to do, despite it not working to overthrow Saddam). That's not very peaceful!

The justification is that US is at war with al-Qaeda, therefore it's ok to take out their operatives and leaders before they can kill themselves

Al Qaeda is a category, not a country, which means all the existing legal definitions of 'war' don't apply (which doesnt stop the US making new laws internally
To fit the situation though). This is a 'war' in the same way that the 'war on drugs' is...

US has been asking governments to publicly take responsibility for their killings?

One reason they want wikileaks gone so badly is the outing of stories like this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/yemen/8166610/WikiLeaks-Yemen-covered-up-US-drone-strikes.html

That's... not true. Unless you have a link to a document that actually states that the US fed can just off random US citizens as they see fit, then this must be some left-wing conspiracy theory.

It's just a quick google away. Obama has already had US citizens executed without trial.
http://www.salon.com/2010/04/07/assassinations_2/


Chile's 9/11,

Please don't tell me that you're a truther.
The date has a different significance in Chile.

... I take it you don't know the background reasons behind what caused the Arab Spring, yes?

I'm aware of the Arab spring, yes, but Lybia and Syria weren't just the masses rising up against their leaders like in Tunsinia or Egypt.
In Lybia, the shady shadow government that was instantly endorsed by western powers before anyone knew who they were, were funded by those western powers. We had special forces on the ground working against the dictator, and our planes overhead -- that makes it very different to the start of the spring!
Instead of a 3 month war followed by a decade civil war that we're stuck in for a decade, we hijacked the Arab spring to work as our own army - a few months of bombing, an execution that we can't be blamed for, and our pre-selected government installed, without the need to even be seen invading. That was much smarter than Iraq...

But... I don't get why you're dragging these facts out. How does this add to the original post?

it was in response to your claims that the US can't kill people outside of a war, which is demonstrably very false.

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