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#ActualHodgman

Posted 11 May 2013 - 03:05 AM

Don't forget that Australia has 22 million people, the US has 311 million.

So all other things being equal we will have 14 times the number of violent crimes.

Yeah, you'd expect the US to have about 14 times more homicides, but it actually has about 68 times more homicides...
So, yeah, the US is special when it comes to the amount of crime and violence.
There's also the fact that the US houses 5% of the world population, but 25% of the world's prisoners. WTF?
Compared to the rest of the first world, there is a great sickness in American society, much of which is fueled by the insane levels of inequality.
The fact that there cannot be any public discussion about this sickness is a huge part of the problem - admitting there is a problem is unpatriotic, which apparently is a fate worse than death...

Per capita many more people are killed by cars than by guns, but somehow you don't see people calling for bans on automobiles.

But you do see people calling for gun licences and regulations, like we do to minimize the harm done by automobiles.

It may be simplest to make guns illegal in urban zones while letting them remain legal in less urban areas. I think someone suggested this earlier in this thread. The more urban areas do not have the same need for guns that people may have in more rural settings. In more rural areas, I can see why people would want to keep guns, even though I personally do not like the idea of freely available guns.

that's the premise of the thread - Australian gun control. People in rural areas who need guns can get a license for them, people in urban areas with no need cannot get a license.

I just checked something and apparently 60% of our gun deaths are suicides. Not really sure how that affects things.

I had a traumatic period in my life which brought a brief period of suicidal thoughts. There was one night where I finally couldn't take any more, I was too weak, I had to escape, so I resolved to actually go through with it. Luckily, I lived (obviously), and by the next day the thoughts had subsided and never got that bad again.
If I could've walked down the street and bought a hundgun without a license or waiting period, I would be dead right now. Seeing that suicidal people are in a state of insanity, there's also the chance that I could've taken others with me.
So from a very personal point of view, I'm thankful that gun dealers here don't sell unlicensed firearms...


#2Hodgman

Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:40 AM

Don't forget that Australia has 22 million people, the US has 311 million.

So all other things being equal we will have 14 times the number of violent crimes.

Yeah, you'd expect the US to have about 14 times more homicides, but it actually has about 68 times more homicides...
So, yeah, the US is special when it comes to the amount of crime and violence.
There's also the fact that the US houses 5% of the world population, but 25% of the world's prisoners. WTF?
Compared to the rest of the first world, there is a great sickness in American society, much of which is fueled by the insane levels of inequality.
The fact that there cannot be any public discussion about this sickness is a huge part of the problem - admitting there is a problem is unpatriotic, which apparently is a fate worse than death...

Per capita many more people are killed by cars than by guns, but somehow you don't see people calling for bans on automobiles.

But you do see people calling for gun licences and regulations, like we do to minimize the harm done by automobiles.

It may be simplest to make guns illegal in urban zones while letting them remain legal in less urban areas. I think someone suggested this earlier in this thread. The more urban areas do not have the same need for guns that people may have in more rural settings. In more rural areas, I can see why people would want to keep guns, even though I personally do not like the idea of freely available guns.

that's the premise of the thread - Australian gun control. People in rural areas who need guns can get a license for them, people in urban areas with no need cannot get a license.

I just checked something and apparently 60% of our gun deaths are suicides. Not really sure how that affects things.

I had a traumatic period of my life with a period of suicidal thoughts. There was one night where I finally couldn't take any more and I resolved to go through with it. Luckily, I lived, and the next day the thoughts had subsided and never got that bad again.
If I couldve walked down the street and bought a hundgun without a license or waiting period, I would be dead right now. Seeing that suicidal people are in a state of insanity, there's also the chance tha I could've taken others with me.
So from a very personal point of view, I'm thankful that gun dealers here don't sell unlicensed firearms...

#1Hodgman

Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:35 AM

Don't forget that Australia has 22 million people, the US has 311 million.

So all other things being equal we will have 14 times the number of violent crimes.

Yeah, you'd expect the US to have about 14 times more homicides, but it actually has about 68 times more homicides...
So, yeah, the US is special when it comes to the amount of crime and violence.
There's also the fact that the US houses 5% of the world population, but 25% of the world's prisoners. WTF?
Compared to the rest of the first world, there is a great sickness in American society, much of which is fueled by the insane levels of inequality.
The fact that there cannot be any public discussion about this sickness is a huge part of the problem - admitting there is a problem is unpatriotic, which apparently is a fate worse than death...

Per capita many more people are killed by cars than by guns, but somehow you don't see people calling for bans on automobiles.

But you do see people calling for gun licences and regulations, like we do to minimize the harm done by automobiles.

It may be simplest to make guns illegal in urban zones while letting them remain legal in less urban areas. I think someone suggested this earlier in this thread. The more urban areas do not have the same need for guns that people may have in more rural settings. In more rural areas, I can see why people would want to keep guns, even though I personally do not like the idea of freely available guns.

that's the premise of the thread - Australian gun control. People in rural areas who need guns can get a license for them, people in urban areas with no need cannot get a license.

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