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#21 Icarus   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 31 May 2000 - 01:02 PM

OreoBoy, you are pretty funny. There is nothing stopping those programmers (or you if you become one of them) from going to the gym. Personally, when I get into the game development business, I will make sure I go to the gym every day (or every other day), even if I have to in the middle of the night. I don''t believe in getting grossly obese, or being grossly underweight.

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Posted 31 May 2000 - 09:48 PM

There is an MSDN show!
I''m quite lucky living in England. We missout on seriously corperate sponsored air time. (it''s getting worst though)
What do they do on it. Is it like a Micro$oft sponsored shopping channel. "Buy windows 2000, because even though NT4 will do every thing you required we want more of your money. Buy Windows 2000, buy it because we''ll give you no other choice!"
Obeasity.
OreoBoy, Yes there are a lot of people who live and breath programming to the point of giving up their own bodies. But I know a number of hardcore coders who follow the whole Body is a temple thing and/or get (or attempt to get) laid every week.
There is no reason you can''t have best of both worlds. You can party, drag your self into work on 1/2 hour sleep. Drink a gallon of coffee and get coding on the lastest greatest FPS.
There are boundries though. I''ve been with my partner 4 years, we''re expecting our first kid in 3 months, and we''ve got the mortgage thing! I''m the sole bread winner, so any choices I make I''ve got to work through her.
I know I do not want to be doing database for the rest of my working life, and I know the game industry requires a lot of work, a lot of overtime and late nights. The ballencing act is going to be a tricky job but worth it.
OreoBoy I ask you this, what job would you WANT to be doing?

PS: If you are free and single move forward as quickly as you can, but if the right person comes along drop every thing, you might not see them again!


What else do you need; besides a miricle.
Money. Lots of Money. or I''ll never do a sequel!

#23 ragonastick   Members   -  Reputation: 134

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Posted 31 May 2000 - 11:38 PM

I''m 15, and I''m unsure of whether I want in on the industry.
I''m making a game as a hobby and it''s pretty cool. I know it is less than what I am capable of but it''s still a learning experience as it''s the first game I''m going to finish.
I started programming when I was 10 and used good ol'' Qbasic. I finished a few simple games but the more major ones never quite finished, basically because I taught myself, and got myself some bad habits - no comments, no subs, no functions.
I had no books and the only way I could learn was through the help file. It was suprisingly good and that way I learnt heaps. I made my own graphics program because I didn''t know how to load bmps and all my games were without mouse (becuase I couldn''t figure any of that out) and without sound (the little speaker inside the computer is best left silent)
Now I''ve rid myself of all (most) of my bad habits and hopefully things should turn out fine.
Did anyone really want to know my life story

"Only a fool quotes himself"
Andy Owen

My Homepage (Non games related)
My Current Project (Games related... I think)

#24 deakin   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 31 May 2000 - 11:51 PM

I''m 16 and I''ve been programming for roughly 4 years. I started on QBASIC, but now I''m doing a bit of DirectX/Windows stuff in C++. I don''t know if game programming will be my career, I''m just gonna finish school and figure it out when I get there

#25 felonius   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 01:20 AM

It seems to me that everybody here (with a few exceptions) are not game developers but somebody that wants to be game developers. This is a shame.

How do we make more professoinal people join this forum? If there is anybody out there please respond.

Jacob Marner

PS: By professional I mean: "You have a full time job where you get paid and you live of this pay."

#26 NeoReality   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 02:22 AM

Didn''t mean to post that Anonymous Poster. But the sig probally gave me away!

People who make money from games arn''t posting to this because;
1. They are to busy trying to compleate their latest project by the deadline. (not that sarcastic)
2. They are above such a feable discussion.
3. They are fictional characters with no bases in reality. And all these games we play are nothing more than a great big shared illusion!
4. All of the above


It seems most people started about the same age. Twelveish, there must be some ''geek'' hormone released at that time? Well, sitting in front of a glowing monitor sucking the electron radiation like its mothers milk, certainly beats playing Football(1) on a cold,wet english afternoon!

Anyway I''m going to sound like an old man now but to those younger coders out there <16, you lucky blighters! All this wonderful and free information at your fingertips!
"When I was a lad we had to work 28 Hours in the coal mine, get up before we went to bed, my father used to kill us and stamp on our graves...." Ops slipped into a little Monty Python!

Anyway I hope this post will soon get my off initiate!


(1) English football. A large round ball kicked with the feet (hence the name foot-ball). Often played in the middle of winter (and I quote my sports teacher) "Because the ground is softer". It has just frozen solid. You can''t get harder than solid! Being a NON contact sport you can often leave the pitch with serious head wounds, lascerations and broken bones.

What else do you need; besides a miricle.
Money. Lots of Money. or I''ll never do a sequel!

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 02:35 AM

Im 17 and have been programming for about 8 months

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 02:40 AM

*grin* OreoBoy, you are indeed funny!

However, I think getting laid is highly overrated. What could compare to squeezing another three cycles out of your inner loop.

(only to find you just broke the compiler optimisation and ended up slowing your code down by about 100%)

Reinforcing some stereotypes:
I''m slightly underweight, only 66.6( )kilos for 1m83, which really isn''t enough.
I''m not a mad coder though, I tend to play guitar and record more often than I''m sitting behind my PC.
I do have a paid job, and it''s paid research. I feel I''ve been really lucky in landing this one, even though I''m making much less than MSc''s my age at the moment. In four years time, I''ll have had a lot of fun researching what I love, gained a PhD, and overtake all those guys in one fell swoop! ( *dreams off, thinking of an Aston Martin, huge mansion in the Carribean islands, and swarms of chicks around..* )

Maybe not, but I''m sure as hell enjoying what I do, old or not ;-)


#pragma DWIM // Do What I Mean!
~ Mad Keith ~

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 02:51 AM

quote:
Original post by granat
Now I´m 25 and I feel I should have been a Guru at this age. But I´m not....



I feel your pain. That horible feeling of wasted years. It''s nice to hear of others that feel like that. I asked my parents to get me an Atari 512. I though getting a 16 Bit machine would make things easier. I was dumb struck to find there was no in built langauge to program with!

There was an aweful basic program that came with it, but nothing else. I felt like I had taken one step forward and two back. With hindsight I persume there music have been C compilers or the like for the Atari, but they were never mentioned in ST Format.

I think I might dig it out and trawl the net to see what is available!

What else do you need; besides a miricle.
Money. Lots of Money. or I''ll never do a sequel!

#30 Joviex   Members   -  Reputation: 241

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 05:19 AM

This post is hilarious.

Did everyone forget that all the greats are almost over 30 already?

Let''s doa run down of all those game devers who are still working, and are over the ripe age I mentioned:

Sid Meyer, Peter Molyaneux, D.W. Bradley, Rob Bartel, Chris Taylor, Tom Hall, etc... etc...

Ok, so you say, yeah, but all these guys have established themselves... true, why, because they made kick ass software that the world loves over and over. So it wouldn''t matter if you were 58 or 8 as long as the software has re-playability or "unique to have never been seen before" written all over it, you are golden.

"Five passengers set sail that day, for a three hour tour, a three hour tour...."

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 05:33 AM

I''m 17, about to finish high school, I''ve been programming since i was 10, I know VB/C/C++/Win32/DirectX. Next year I will be developing 3D stuff, but currently I am working on an Online Multiplayer 2D game, in fact, I will be done it very very soon. I like multiplayer games, and since I am about to get my CISCO Networking Certification, I might as well start playing around with it, so that is basically my life experience up to now. Going to University soon, so I am hoping to sell my game by the end of school.

I guess the fact of the matter is, some people are more experienced initially than others, but if you work hard and tone your skills, businesses won''t care if you''re 15 or 60, as long as you can do what they need.


Rock on,
- Tom

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 08:34 AM

I''m almost 18 and i started programming a year ago.
I thought programming was harsh until my final exams at school started.And it''s not the studing that hurts.It''s the sea,the sun,the chicks that lay on the beach.
How can i write exams until the end of June,can someone tell me?
..........
Nothing to do with programming.I just sighed with relief that i finally said all these.Now let''s study these integrations.....hmmm
Voodoo4


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Posted 01 June 2000 - 11:06 AM

MadKeith~

I guess we get turned on by totally different things . For you, its the extra cycles, for me, it's gotta be SEX! And hey, how long have you been rockin' away on the guitar? I just started playing a month ago, but me and my posse and gonna start a band in jr. year. And hey, I have an acoustic right now, but I'm lookin' to get an electric, for say $400. What would you recommend? And does anybody know about crossing over from guitar to bass guitar? Thanx!

Oh, here's something for y'all:
Top Ten Things Men Shouldn't say out loud in Victoria's Secret

10. Does this come in children's sizes?
9. No Thanks. Just Sniffing.
8. I'll be in the dressing room going blind.
7. Mom will love this.
6. Do you have this with a Dallas Cowboys Logo on it?
5. No need to wrap it up, I'll eat it here.
4. Will you model this for me???
3. Oh honey, you'll never squeeze your fat ass into that!
2. 45 bucks?? You're just gonna end up NAKED anyway!!
1. The Miracle What??? This is better than world peace!!

See ya later, I got some guitar lessons to head to, and a huge science paper due tomorrow! My stupid science teacher...I could just...

E: Anon Poster guy, I wanna be a doctor like my old man, or maybe a lifeguard, cuz it's a blast (I've had some experience)! Engineer could be ok...My mom seriously thinks i should be presidential adviser guy when i grow up. Not to brag, but i could probably do it, I'm great with people skills, solving problems, communicating, telling people not to jack off with aides , etc...


Edited by - OreoBoy03 on June 1, 2000 6:11:44 PM

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 04:09 PM

Oreoboy:

Just to answer your question about proggers fitness? Ummm... Jason "the hulk" Hall That guys'' a freak of nature. j/k

#35 Voodoo4   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 07:42 PM

To OreoBoy:
You remind me of some friends of mine.
They got a guitar and thought the songs would come up like magic.
Don''t rush to form a band.
There was a time in Greece when everyone had an electric and formed bands and thought that by scrathing the guitar they would become Maiden!
Take my advice:Don''t be inpatient.Exercise.

P.S.:These friends of mine now goto the opera
Voodoo4

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Posted 01 June 2000 - 09:54 PM

Tom, you are 17 and nearly ready to be Cisco certified!
God I''m going to give up on life right now! 17 Christ! I''ve heard lots of nasty rumours about the cisco certification exams. Pratical exams where they swap working routers for broken ones during your lunch break!

Cheers OreoBoy. I didn''t know What Victoria''s Sectret was. Joe Burns was talking about they had a webcam on the last show on his HTMLGoodies Newsletter.


How many more posts till I get off initiate??





What else do you need; besides a miricle.
Money. Lots of Money. or I''ll never do a sequel!

#37 OreoBoy03   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 07:17 AM

Neo~
You got 11 posts now, takes 20 to become "dedicated". And you DIDN"T know what Victoria''s Secret was?!? You need to get out more !!!

Voodoo~
I''m only a freshman right now, 2 years is a long time away, and I''m patient. Guitar''s great though. And I do have some ideas for good songs.

Sorry guys, I would attach something funny, but I''m writing this from school as i ignore my comp sci teacher, and can''t say anything too bad. Ciao!


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Posted 02 June 2000 - 07:27 AM

I am 16 (17 in about 2 months). I have only been programming >1 year. I know how you feel, because sometimes i feel the same. I have just started to learn DX, and i feel it quite challenging.

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 08:05 AM

Now, I think this is a post I should respond to. I dunno why, just feels right, anyway, I''m 15, and I live in the UK. Now, I dunno about the US, but over here in England, we don''t get these nice books like TOTWGPG or WGPFD in the shops. In fact, you''re lucky if you can find much about programming, maybe a bit about C++ in general, but not applied stuff. Anyway, back when I was 8, I was in Cubs (DON''T LAUGH) and I wanted to get my computer badge. Now I had to do something for it: Write a ...erm... can''t think of what it''s called... ah, prgram, that could add (heaven forbid) 2 numbers together. I had to do this in BASIC. Now what the hell is that I was thinking. So, anyway, my teacher at school was able to help and I got the badge. I continued programming this crap, and on my cruddy old Amiga600, I managed to write text programs (I.e. very BAD games) and eventually got a few graphics in this lovely IDE, AMOS BASIC.

I got a PC, and used QBASIC, not as nice as AMOS though, and stuff was more complex, so I stopped programming. Then, while doing my IT badge in scouts, I heard about this cool programming language called C, I got some books from the bloke teaching me at scouts and learned that.

I tried programmign graphics in C, and couldn''t, somehow, through something completely weird, I managed to find a book called Teach Yourself Game Programming in 21 Days, I bought it. Read it, thought, ''Assmebly Language... What the Hell is that?????'' Used his libraries to make a couple of crap games. Stopped programming.

Then came October 1999, I finally got the internet, and after a while, accidentally stumbled across Gamedev.net, and they had a chat room!!! I went in and started talking, I decided to learn C++, and I picked it up pretty easily, and now my programs are just classes!!

So, for Christmas, I asked my mum to buy me this book from Amazon.com - Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus, and what a book. It was great. I read it, and learned Win32 and DX programming from scratch.

Anyway, now I''m learning OpenGL, and stupid 3D theory. I would LUV to get into the industry, but I fear that I may not be able to. I suppose I''ll just keep trying

PS: I''m not sure, because I can never find a pair of scales, but I think I''m underweight, I mean, people are always saying about how girls starve themselves to get slim because of supermodels. And there''s me, this 15 yr old boy, who is the slimmest thing in the world, sheesh, I stuff my face too

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 08:23 AM

Im 24 and have been a professional game programmer for all of 1.5 months!! Woo Hoo! I wouldn't worry about being over the hill, this really is a skill based market. If you practice and tune your skills the industry will be ready for you when you decide to start applying places. Good luck to all you amatuers, keep making games and somebody will notice you eventually. My best advice is, if you really want in the industry never give up. =)



Mike Barela
mbarela@earthlink.net

Edited by - mbarela on June 2, 2000 3:23:57 PM




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