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Average age of Game programmers and the speed of technology


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#41 Anonymous Poster_Anonymous Poster_*   Guests   -  Reputation:

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 08:45 AM

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 08:58 AM

Ok. . .I missed out on something here??? When I was twelve I did *some* programming (a cheesehead Space Invaders clone in Basic), which is about as far as I got before my teens, which were for the most part spent being an idiot. Then, at eighteen I decided that professional pot smoker is probably not a primo career choice and decided to program. My point is: Does everyone in the world know DirectX at age sixteen? If I can''t do object classes in C without a book at twenty, should I hang the whole thing up and stick to knitting? What''s the deal here?

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 11:43 AM

I''m 31 years old, in good physical condition (I work out at a gym regularly.) I''m married with a daughter. Even before I got married, I was getting laid.

I''ve produced 4 major hit titles published by Microsoft and Activision, and the total sales of all of my games is in excess of 1.5 million copies world-wide.

So forget the stereotypes.

#44 OreoBoy03   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 02:38 PM

You''re just special then Anon Poster . No, I know that cool, athletic programmers do exist, like me and you. But there are some really nerdy kids at my school that spend lunch reading books about C++, the big fat kind. That scares the hell out of me! Why not be socializing with the ladies , or hanging with friends (maybe they don''t have any ), or something. If they were really desperate, there''s always that group smoking god knows what outside in the parking lot near the woods... No, cool programmers do exist, like everybody her on GameDev !!! But there are also the really nerd-geek-freak-weird kind of programmers, and they scared me away from ever wanting to be a programmer a long time ago. It''s tragic !!! Gotta run, catch you all later.

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 02:56 PM

I''m 15 and have been programming for a while now. I started with QBasic (didn''t everybody?) and am pretty knowledgable of the DirectX API. I don''t really care about game development as a career but I do it cuz it''s fun. I have no doubt that I''ll be whipping out games when I''m a senior citizens!!! There ain''t nothing stopping me. Just my opinion, if you love what you do, doesn''t matter how old you are.
Oh yeh, OreoBoy - Ever seen Andre Lamothe, he''s pretty buf if you ask me, i make games and am almost a black belt in karate, so i''m not out of shape or anything. Just a thought.

#46 OreoBoy03   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 June 2000 - 03:01 PM

BitBlt, that's a cool SN. And hey, EVERYBODY, I NEVER said ALL programmers were fat out-of-shape people. Everybody at GameDev seems cool, and a lot of you guys have told me that you're in shape, I believe you. Only the ones at MS are fat and overweight, or disgustingly skinny! Bill must lock them in there until they produce enough GARBAGE to justify a new version of Windows, and hence, more money for Mr. Gates... Oh hey, does anyone here have AOL IM? I'd love to have a chat with some of you about game development. Let me know, gotta run, Hasta Luego!

E: Guys, I just checked, right now, this topic is the 25th most popular topic of ALL TIME!!! That's wicked. Keep it goin'!!!

Edited by - OreoBoy03 on June 2, 2000 10:11:02 PM

#47 Hase   Members   -  Reputation: 313

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Posted 04 June 2000 - 09:44 PM

Well, let´s face it. Most of us are never going to make it big-time. Those that do become fat and ugly (and never get laid).

What a life.



"Age is a question of mind over matter. If you don´t mind, it doesn´t matter"



#48 GEo   Members   -  Reputation: 144

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Posted 04 June 2000 - 10:01 PM

Hang on,
I''m 17, I don''t consider myself too unfit / unhealthy (I guess I could use a bit more exercise), I''m crap at math (currently), I have reasonable personal hygene and I drink and smoke.

Does this mean I''m never going to make a game programmer?

(PS: I would love to work on code for gambling machines, that would be fine for me (for a while at least))



George.

"Who says computer games affect kids, imagine if PacMan affected us as kids, we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music....uh oh!"



#49 Joviex   Members   -  Reputation: 248

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Posted 05 June 2000 - 05:58 AM

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Original post by Anonymous Poster

Ok. . .I missed out on something here???

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My point is: Does everyone in the world know DirectX at age sixteen? If I can''t do object classes in C without a book at twenty, should I hang the whole thing up and stick to knitting? What''s the deal here?


I wouldn''t worry about it honestly. If everyone knew 100% of everything they post around here, there would be no need for a forum.

Just keep in mind how you were at 16 and imagine having all this tech at your fingertips now. I have been programming since I was 12 (integer basic days), so it is not really new that others start so young. I mean, when Taipan and Wizardry are the kick ass games of the day, imagine the inspiration going around now.

It doesn''t mean squat to me, age, or physique, and no, I am not fat, got a beer belly, and I like it so blah. If you read and learn (absorb) all of it, and then apply it cause this ain''t college, then you''ll have no problem getting a job. This industry is skills skills skills. They honestly don''t give a crap if you look like the unibomber (and actually might hire you cause they need a model of your head at that point).

I would stress however, it is not just skills. It is also being able to preform in a team. I have had a few jobs over the years where personality and team orientation won hands down over knowledge -- in some cases they will actually teach you all the necessary skills you need.



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#50 Machaira   Moderators   -  Reputation: 1028

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Posted 05 June 2000 - 06:17 AM

Guess I''ll add my $.02 to this:

I''m 33, married with one child, in decent shape (6''3", 245 lbs, only little love handles ) and I''ve been in the industry for a little over six months after about 6 years of business programming.

Age isn''t really a barrier to getting into the industry. Movitation and a love of games are what counts. If you''re fairly intelligent and have a decent background in math you shouldn''t have any problem learning what you need to know. After that, make some small demos and start sending out your resume. There are tons of job openings for good people. If you have some decent demos, that''ll count about as much as practical experience.

OK, now that you''re done ready this, go write some code!!

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Posted 05 June 2000 - 01:15 PM

Perhaps the reason we see so many overweight programmers is not because programmers become lazy, but because lazy people find programming to be something they can do without expending to much energy.

E:cb woof!

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Posted 06 June 2000 - 01:10 AM

I''ve been programming in C/C++ for about 5-6 months, but mind you it was only a casual thing, I''ve only recently being taking it seriously for about a month. I''m only 17 and I''ve almost finished my first game, which is a multiplayer - puzzle game. I think that'' s good for the amount of time I''ve been programming.
Hey OreoBoy I know exactly what you mean. I would still enjoy a career in the games industry though. You will find that professionals are actually cooler than you think. I went to the australian game developers conference and the professionals looked nothing like what was sterotyped. In fact the only person I was supicious of was a fat guy in a hawian shirt and he turned out to be a artist. Most of the programmers looked more like rock stars with their hair half way down their backs(like mine ). I also play guitar as well. I used to be heaps into it, but I''m starting to play again as well. Instead of thinking about putting a band together, you should find a partner who is either a guitarist or bass player and has the same skills as you, and jam together and do that now. You will find yourself getting much better very fast.

David

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Posted 06 June 2000 - 01:43 AM

If professional coders were so darn anti-social, un-hygenic and a pain in the ass to work with this job would be impossible. You''re stuck with these people 9 - 5 at best and for days at a time at worst.
Most of the coders I''ve met have been fun loving people who enjoy a night out drinking and partying.
And I''ve been in the industry 3 years btw.

Mike


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Posted 06 June 2000 - 01:50 AM

I am 18 years old and I am programming (games) since I was 12 years old. I think that a good game programmer has finished at least some university or something like that... Hardcore game programming involves so much math... you just don''t understand it if you are 14 years old or something like that.

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Posted 06 June 2000 - 02:03 AM

I am 17 years old. I work at an ISP but I do games programming in my spare time. I plan to be in university for a long time, and I fear that by the time I get out, games technology will be too advanced for new programmers to be able to get into the industry If you''re thoughts on this differ, I will be interested to hear them.

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Posted 06 June 2000 - 02:26 AM

hey, don''t say that people are too young to program stuff. My first introduction to programming was when I was programming my old ti-86 calculator in basic. Then I got into assembly for the ti-86 Zilog proccessor. This was when I was about 13. I even wrote a space invader game in good-ole asm. Then I got into computer programming. I started learning C. The game concepts came pretty easily at first. Within my first year I wrote Tic-Tac-Toe,Pong,Breakout, and Space Invader clones. I am now 15 and learning about OpenGL. I am even writing a basic protal engine. I hate when people that say you can''t learn when you''re too young. Granted I have not yet experienced all of the math that is needed, I am ahead for my age in my math class.

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Posted 06 June 2000 - 02:31 AM

sorry I can''t spell worth anything, that''s portal engine, not protal engine.

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Posted 06 June 2000 - 03:18 AM

I''m 23 and I work for a service company. I''ve tried to enter the games industry but here, in Spain, almost doesn''t exist. Besides, they pay half what you can get in the rest of the computer industry. However, I still keep in touch with a few guys in the industry.

By now, I''ve decided to do amateur game programming and see what will happen in the future.

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Posted 07 June 2000 - 01:42 AM

Hope this gets posted as me (NeoReality).
I''m well chuffed on how well this post has gone. Its given me (and every one else) a look at the cross section of programmers in and trying to get into the Industry.

OreoBoy, I should soon be hooked through AOL IM as soon as ntl get me my fecking disk. To all thouse with musical tallent, I''m well jelious! I took GSCE music to find I couldn''t keep and note had no rythem and totally tone deaf! But at least i could read the music ;-P

Oh and OreoBoy! I don''t think there is Vickies secret over here,(UK) We''ve got Ann Summers Which I guess is the same kind of stuff! Oh and in Nottingham there is a two cool Bondage/fetish/Kinky underwear Shops. But the armoury''s prices are so high you need to be a tory politician to afford any thing ;->

MagicDude at 15 you''re doing damb well. At the same age I was following a similar path. In scouts one of the two badges I got was the computer badge. Then (10 years ago) we played with BBC Micros. Where in the UK are you? At school I excelled in the same areas, but I found jeliousy from some of the older kids who ran the computer club. If you encounter the same crap give them the finger and do it your way!
Oh And dont fear not being able to get into the industry if the stuff posted here is true, its just a case of time and effort! C++ at 15 you''ve got the skills!
And as for books you''re right on there finding information here is crap, but www.pcbooks.co.uk and amazon.co.uk should be all you need if your folks can help put up the cash!

BitBlt.. I''ve never seen a pic of Andre Lamothe, but I rate his books. And your handle is bang on!

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For all Coders in England any you guys n'' galls in or near Nottingham

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Money. Lots of Money. or I''ll never do a sequel!

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Posted 07 June 2000 - 02:09 AM

I believe you can find a picture of Andre on his website xgames3d.com - he''s not quite what you would expect (or maybe he is, depending on the person! )

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