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#1 uray   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 08:05 AM

i never look games like this... can anyone tellme if there is.. if not,can we write one?

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#2 uray   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 11:47 AM

so...
none have any idea to create games that
make player crying huh?!!

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 11:57 AM

Well - If you want to create a game that makes the user cry, you actually have to do work, and that is why there is no real game geared to make the user cry. If you want to do this, you have to work human feelings into the design. Also, the design should be more cinematic then like a game. So far every genre for games would suck for making a game that will make the user cry. I think it is very possible, but as a commercial game, it will never be. Good luck though if you are trying to do that. Also - the game needs to let the user have good interaction with the other characters.

#4 uray   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:09 PM

so if i can design it, will it be revolutionary on game genre?

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:31 PM

there are games that make user cry ...

BUT here''s why it is not common:

- I agree, it''s HARD to do

- A game should not be predictable, but the only way people know how to make people cry is to pull on their emotions in certain ways ... this is more like a movie or story than a game ... I admit, most games have linear story lines, but that is more of a flaw, due to current technology, than a real element of game design. Most computer games are not true games, but blends of game and story ... which would allow you to evoke crying.

- For a true game to evoke crying can only be by upsetting the player through their failure - how can football, chess, skeeball, poker, etc. make a person cry, though self anger and feelings of abject failure. Most people HATE these feelings, and would not pay for a game which evokes them often. This is the fundamental difference between games and stories, stories are the emotional journeys of others, and can evoke enjoyable tears, games are contests of the self, and can only evoke satisfaction (hapiness), determination (to overcome or succeed), and rejection/failure.

#6 uray   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 12:53 PM

ok,if people crying because they upset to what they did,nobody will enjoy to play it...
but if there is a story that affect the player emotion and making they crying because
they are being involved and get into the story... it is just like the movie...
they crying for a sad story but still love to watching movie like this,
can we make story like this for a game, and the gameplay is the tools to get the player
into the story and what they see and hear will affect to player emotions

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 04:30 AM

I think if you''re gonna make a game capable of making people cry, you oughtta make it capable of making them laugh or feel anger (at someone in the game, not at dying for the umpteenth time ) or actually be afraid. You can''t just have one emotion through the whole entire thing, or eventually whenever the player sees a story sequence they''ll be like "ok this is the place where I''m supposed to cry, blah blah, stupid designers". You''d need to mix it up a bit so they wouldn''t know WHAT to expect, and thus when they felt an emotion, it''d be more real. Why do you think even in a horror story there''s places that invite you to feel something other than fear? Because it''s impossible to strongly feel any one emotion for extended periods of time. And feeling one emotion is stronger when it follows right after an opposite emotion. So I think your question is not how do we make people cry, but how do we make people care enough about the stuff happening in this game to feel *anything* about it.

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 06:24 AM

I cried when I couldn''t save Meryl and she died in my arms atop Metal Gear Rex

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 08:16 AM

relly....wow...!
but it is funny enough....!!!

hey where is the ideas to build game that making player crying?

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 08:23 AM

The ability to invoke emotion in the audience rest entirly on your ability to tell a story. The quality of the writing as well as its presentaion will determine wether or not the player because emotionally involed and ingrossed in the story.

If you want a game that did this at least for me it would be silent hill 1 and 2 they where scary games. I remeber play silent hill 2 one night with lights off and all of a sudden icq went "oh oh" and I nearly jumped out of my seat.

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#11 uray   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 08:31 AM

Does it make you cry...
or just scared...

the hard thing is to make player cry...
because happy or sad...

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 07:39 PM

you understood at least 2/3 of my post ... and everything you all have been talking about is valid and interesting ... but let me repeat one thing I think is helpfull when trying to talk about these issues ...

in my way of viewing the world ... attempting to evoke emotion such as laughter and tears ... these are NOT "game" elements ... these are "story" elements.

don''t take this the wrong way .. just as all genres of books and games run together ... so to do games and stories run together ... there is nothing wrong with a computer "game" which has a story line, or story elements which evoke tears ... I''m just saying ... when acedemically picking apart this topic to understand it ... the areas you are talking about are "story" areas ... there is also a third type of thing "sport" ....

GAME - is about choices within a framework to achieve maximal or desired results.

STORY - is about the emotional connection between people and othe people''s experience (even if they are pretend).

SPORT - is basically the same as game, except game is mental, sport is physical ...

i know I didn''t do an adequate job defining them .. and my sport definition is lax because I have really forgotten the def I once heard ... but I think it is VERY usefull to break down elements of "game play" into there game and story components ... to better understand the game design you are making and what the user''s experience will (hopefully) be ...

note that "games" are repeatable ... nearly infinitely until the player is bored with the repetition of the patterns of the game ... "stories" are not really repeatable on the same scale ... usually there are from 1-3 views for each story ... and maybe 1-5 views if the story arc is variable ... after which, it would be too boring to repeat the nearly identical "game" yet again.

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Posted 28 July 2003 - 07:36 AM

The letter/monologue at the end of Silent Hill 2 had me tearing up a bit.

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Posted 28 July 2003 - 12:29 PM

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Original post by neurokaotix
I cried when I couldn''t save Meryl and she died in my arms atop Metal Gear Rex



I did too, I also cried when in FF7 *SPOILER* that mofo Sephiroth took out my baby-girl Aeris.

I think that to make the player cry. You really have to make them fall in love with one of the characters, and then have to tweak that emotion in a certain direction. The simplest way is to kill them off. But another great way is when everything works out perfectly, and the characters the player loves, love each other. i.e. when Meryl and Snake *SPOILER* rode off together into the sunset at the end of MGS. This didn''t get me crying, but it did create a sense of happiness that was nearly as moving. Another game that made me cry was when in FFX *SPOILER* Tidus was dissappearing, and Yuna ran to him, only to fall through him, and she lay prostrate on the ground. Funny thing is, I''ve never once went into tears during a movie. The closest I''ve ever came was when in Matrix Reloaded *SPOILER* Trinity was shot, and died in Neo''s arms. I believe this is the power that videogames have over movies and other forms of media. It''s easier to get into the game, and actually be affected by developments in the game, because they actually do effect the way you play the game. Rather in movies and television, you simply watch "other" people play out a story, and you don''t actually participate. Plus the fact that poor acting(keanu...you bastard!) can screw it up, whereas even the poor voice-acting in FFX couldn''t stop me from responding emotionally.

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Posted 28 July 2003 - 12:34 PM

Slightly off topic but Does it annoy anyone else when story events and gameplay don''t match up. For instance if one of your characters gets stab and dies. Then you should die if you get stab in the game. And yet in most games you can 1000''s of points of damge and even if you die you use a simple item available at any general store and your perfectly healthy again.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 04:03 PM

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Slightly off topic but Does it annoy anyone else when story events and gameplay don''t match up. For instance if one of your characters gets stab and dies. Then you should die if you get stab in the game. And yet in most games you can 1000''s of points of damge and even if you die you use a simple item available at any general store and your perfectly healthy again.



This annoyed me for a little while, especially with games like Final Fantasy. Then I noticed that they started using words like Swoon and Faint for "dead". This changed the dead state to an unconcious state, and mollified me quite a bit.

I like the idea that a character can be killed in a game but that it takes something exceptional. In FF usually when a major character dies it is to move the plot forward. This kind of distinction is important because if the Hero is killed then the plot ends (an ending to the game, but not a victorious one).

I would like to see more games like Fallout where there are fixed NPCs in the game and when they die they are gone, but you can still complete the game. It is also important to change the End Game sequences dramatically. If the "Hero" finishes the game, but lets the Princess die, through design, or by accident the game should not reward the hero with a victory story; but rather a "The Hero failed and became a drunken sot, forever trying to cope with his failures." type ending.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 08:23 PM

Actually I do become annoyed when the gameplay and story don''t match up in games. In FF7 I thought "Why doesn''t Cloud just use a pheonix down on Aeris?". It makes me ask "How does this differ from when I get stabbed or shot in combat and can just revive?" And the only answer I get from the designer is "Cause I said so!"

About crying in video games, I think it is possible but not widely saught after. I cannot remember ever feeling especially sad when playing a video game but I seem to remember a reletively sad part in MGS 2 when Otocon is talking about his sister. I think a game that could make me cry would be a great game to experience. The closest I''ve ever come to crying when experiencing any form of story was when watching Signs when the kid was dying in the basement. I was on the verge of tears. A very well done movie.

P.S. If you really want to make someone in a game cry, give them a weiner dog, and then make it betray them. *inside joke*


"It''s a sad, sad day when your own weiner dog betrays you..."




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