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#1 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 01 August 2000 - 07:14 PM

Hi everyone, I have a pretty decent (in my opinion) game that is nearly complete. So far, the total budget for my game is hovering around $0. I have done all the modeling, programming, etc. etc. and I would do it for fun regardless, so I don''t consider my time an expense. Anyway, I want to sell this sucker online and I was wondering if anyone had any tips as far as cheap marketing methods, as well as cheap ways of selling the game (I''d like to accept a credit card). Honestly, I don''t know if I will sell 1 or 1,000 so I would like to find something with very little fixed costs to start off with. Digital River will do it for about 25% of sales with no fixed costs, anyone know of any better ways to go? Or any good references to help me out?? Thanks!

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#2 Tasm   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 01 August 2000 - 08:25 PM

Hi ya

I use Reg Soft for my games. (http://www.regsoft.com -just in case I did the link wrong).

It''s pretty easy to do with no up front cost. It charges 10% of the sale or 3 dollars.. whichever is more.

Good Luck!


-Tasm
Tams11 Software

#3 Lord Chaos   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 01 August 2000 - 09:07 PM

>Digital River will do it for about 25% of sales with no fixed costs

There is a fixed cost, $1000. But it''s payed by the first sales, so it''s nothing you have to pay to get started. If you sell your game for $10 the first 100 sold copies will go to to pay this fixed setup cost (which is a one-time cost. Adding more games to your online sales site doesn''t cost extra).


#4 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 August 2000 - 03:13 AM

Wow, RegSoft looks like just what I''m looking for (to start with, anyway). Although I don''t get why they pay YOU to mail out a CD... Thanks guys for the help! Does anyone have any marketing tips that are cheap and will work. I read in a previous thread someone saying that putting their game on AOL accounted for a large percentage of their sales. Anyone have any other tips? Will it cost anything to get my game on most shareware-type sites?
Thanks again!


#5 DavidRM   Members   -  Reputation: 270

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Posted 02 August 2000 - 05:05 AM

If the game will be available via download from the Internet, you''ll do yourself a huge favor by getting listed on the major shareware sites:

ZDNet http://www.zdnet.com
CNet http://www.download.com
WinFiles http://www.winfiles.com

And there are others.

For payment processing, I''ve used Kagi (http://www.kagi.com) and DigiBuy (http://www.digibuy.com). DigiBuy is essentially a slightly less expensive version of Digital River, but it handles less "marketing" for you.

Good luck!


DavidRM
Samu Games


#6 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 August 2000 - 06:03 AM

That''s cool, DigiBuy looks pretty good, too. I''ll have to look further into that one as well. (Obviously) I''m curious what kind of response I might get. Is anyone willing to share some general numbers about what they''ve seen selling their game on the internet? Respond as anonymous is you don''t want to give out too many details. Basically, am I way out there in thinking that a quality game can sell enough over the internet to support this terribly obsessive habit full-time for my company of one (plus wife who likes to shop!! ;-)
Later!


#7 Ibuku   Members   -  Reputation: 100

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Posted 02 August 2000 - 06:20 AM

Do you have any screens/information/urls for your game that we can see?

#8 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 August 2000 - 02:13 PM

Not yet, but I''ve been meaning to work on the website, so I''ll put up some info and post the link. Meanwhile, has anyone had ANY success selling their game solely over the internet??


#9 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 August 2000 - 06:01 PM

OK, here is a link to a skeleton site that I made today. Feel free to bookmark and check back later (shameless plug). I plan to write a quick message board page (unless anyone knows of any free ones) and maybe a beta demo just for the GameDev people that know about it because I have learned so much from the community here. Anyway, it''s only my first game so don''t flame me about it :-) I''m still looking for anyone who''s actually sold a game on the internet to offer me some advice and maybe some general numbers of what I MIGHT be able to expect! I feel like I could make a truly great game if I was doing this full-time, anyone else feel like that?
Anyway, thanks everybody!



#10 glenrm   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 03 August 2000 - 01:00 AM

You can also use Amazons Z-Shops.

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Dynamic Adventures Inc.
http://www.zenfar.com



#11 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 03 August 2000 - 10:12 AM

Hmm, Amazon is $30 a month, is there an advantage other than the fact that people are comfortable buying through Amazon?

#12 grhodes_at_work   Moderators   -  Reputation: 1361

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Posted 03 August 2000 - 10:24 AM

I suppose Paypal is an option too, but you would have to setup your own web site and just give instructions for emailing "money" via Paypal.



Graham Rhodes
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Applied Research Associates, Inc.
email: grhodes@sed.ara.com

#13 glenrm   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 03 August 2000 - 05:13 PM

quote:
Original post by BigCarlito

Hmm, Amazon is $30 a month, is there an advantage other than the fact that people are comfortable buying through Amazon?


Good point but this could be less than the $1000 taken from sales on Digital River. Also as your mentioned, if the user already has the credit card info stored on Amazon it would make purchasing that much easier.

I can''t be sure that Amazon is the best way to go, but my game ways in at over 160 megs so downloading is not practical for non-broadband users. Small downloadable games might benefit from Digital-River. It is to bad that there is not an MP3.com like site for independant game developers.


Glen Martin
Dynamic Adventures Inc.
http://www.zenfar.com

#14 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 06 August 2000 - 09:14 AM

So how do you fulfill your orders, do you just create a CD at home and send it out? I would definitely like to offer the CD option.

Does anyone want to share their success (or lack of success) stories about selling their game over the internet? Anyone??


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#15 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 07 August 2000 - 10:38 AM

Anyone??


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Posted 07 August 2000 - 03:51 PM

For small orders, samples, etc. you could just burn them yourself. For larger orders you may want to try: Disc Makers at http://www.discmakers.com/

Glen Martin
Zenfar

#17 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 08 August 2000 - 09:00 AM

Cool, thanks for the response GlenRM, hope you are successful selling your game. To me, it will be worth it if even one person buys one of my games and writes back to say they had fun.

It would be nice if there was a service that could fulfill smaller orders (maybe 10 to 50 a week) rather than buying a machine. Or maybe I should just buy one and start my own mini-Zomax! Unless anyone knows of such a service already...

I''m still looking for someone to share their success (or lack of success) story about selling their game on the internet! Come on guys, let''s all share! :-)


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Posted 09 August 2000 - 09:49 AM

Well the story is still being written. But so far the first few chapters are done. I''ve worked by myself for at least 2 years teaching myself what I need to know. I''ve written two fairly decent (yet simple) games that I''m proud of. I''ve yet to design "The Big One" that will hopefully complete the story of my stuggle to create a stable and profitable (doesn''t have to be millions but enough to support myself would be nice) software developement company.

I''ve sold a handfull of copies of one of my games. I once thought selling ONE copy would be enough. I was told that selling one would not be enough. The person that told me that was right.

I am now stuggling to understand and complete all the little bussiness aspects of the game. I wish all I had to do was program and not worry about marketing, taxes, legal mumbo jumbo, and all the other worries that come around when you want to work for yourself. But it must be done eh?

I''m also checking into other opportunities that will allow me to sell more of my games to a wilder market. I''m excited yet terrified of those plans.

There are many more chapters that will be written in my book. Hopefully, they will be filled with success stories and not failure.

Good luck to you!

-Tasm
Tams11 Software

#19 BigCarlito   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 09 August 2000 - 02:19 PM

Alright! Thanks Tams, now I don''t feel so alone. I would love it if more people gave their stories about being a lone wolf, I am so impressed with the stuff I''ve seen from the people that have responded to this.

Here''s another question, the try before you buy approach helps alot, but can someone give me an estimate of how much customer service effort might be required?

Thanks again to everyone who''s posted already! Please, post your story about selling your game on the internet if you have one!



Zeus Interactive

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Posted 30 August 2000 - 08:06 AM

Here''s some more info...

I am making a game (http://www.elmerproductions.com/igor). I''ve been at it for four years now (spare time) so it''s about time it is finished ;-)

In any case, I have not sold it yet (as it''s not finished) but I am also investigating options (CD printers, distributors, internet sales, etc.)

I am also running another site for a golden-oldie game (Supaplex - http://www.stack.nl/~ep/sp/index.html) which generates about 100 visits a day (it has been that way for almost 5 years now). To give you an indication, on average I get about 2-3 emails a day (I estimate). Usually people asking stupid questions (and they get worse by the month ;-) so if you make a website, be sure to put links to the FAQ (''RTFM!'') everywhere, and links to your email address only in the FAQ (or something like that anyway).

It also depends on how easy your game is to install/start/play/use/etc.

Anyway, I''ve set up a mailinglist for my new game, and it has about 1000 people registered on it (if only they would all buy my game when it''s out!) Mainly I get visitors there because they have been on my other (Supaplex) site, so that has helped.

I am still considering options for ads (and how much money I should spend on it) and other related things...

If I end up doing the distribution myself, I will most likely get about 1000 CD''s printed as a start (call it an investment). At less than $5 per CD (fully boxed) it''s a hard, but possible investment...

If I get a publisher to do ''all the work'' for me, I might sleep easier though ;-))

Regards,
Maarten Egmond
(and check out the website at http://www.elmerproductions.com/igor ;-)




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