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#1 Wrathnut   Members   -  Reputation: 360

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Posted 28 August 2000 - 03:24 AM

I have what seems to be a farily simple question.. although I spent all weekend digging through my calc books to no avail.... Anyway here goes: Does anyone know a formula that allows you to rotate a point about another arbitrary point?(in 2d) I wrote an algorithm, but it only works at points close to zero... Also, Does anyone know how to rotate a point about another arbitrary point in 3d? War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left.

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#2 InfestedFurby   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 28 August 2000 - 04:08 AM

ok, i did this once. let me see if i can remember


int x1,y1,x2,y2; //x1,y1 is axis x2,y2 is point u are trying to move


float dist=sqrt( (x2-x1)*(x2-x1) + (y2-y1)*(y2-y1) );


float angle=atan( (y2-y1)/(x2-x1) );

//u need to get the real angle from this since there are 4 angles in a circle that will give any one tangent


find what cuadrent x2,y2 are in if x1,y1 is the origin then use the angle from atan and other stuff to get angle

angle=the angle is now the correct angle from x1,y1 to x2,y2;

angle+=rotation_angle;//how far u want to rotate it


//get back into x,y coords from polar
x2=cos(angle)*dist;
y2=sin(angle)*dist;


done, hope this helps

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#3 felonius   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 29 August 2000 - 12:52 AM

You can do rotations simply as a matrix multiplication. Do not use atan and sqrt and other slow functions.

I just lent out my book but I recommend reading a book on graphics theory. I can recommend the very classic and very excellent book

[Foley] Foley, J., van Dam, A, Feiner, S. & Hughes, J. F.: Computer Graphics. Principles and Practice. 2nd Edition in C. Addison-Wesley. 1996.

After reading this you will know everything you want to know in this subject. And if you need more advanced topics you can read

Watt, Alan H., and Mark Watt, Advanced Animation and Rendering Techniques,
Addison-Wesley, 1992.

From here you will have to read SIGGRAPH articles to know more.

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#4 dwarfsoft   Moderators   -  Reputation: 1214

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Posted 29 August 2000 - 12:54 AM

All you need to do is rotate it around 0, and then translate that rotation to the arbitrary point that you mentioned earlier... Make sense? It is really quite logical when you think about it

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#5 SteveMeister   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 29 August 2000 - 01:17 AM

Java2D gives you a really easy way to do translation, rotation and scaling with its AffineTransform construct. Makes it almost trivial. Java3D gives you similar capabilities.

Here''s the Java2D Tutorial, for starters:
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/2d/index.html

I highly, highly recommend using Java2D for 2D graphics in Java applications.


#6 Wrathnut   Members   -  Reputation: 360

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Posted 29 August 2000 - 07:40 AM

Hey guy's, Thanks for all of the replies to this post. I procurred a linear algebra book from one of my engineering teachcers the other day and found this equation:

X' = x*cos(theta) - y*sin(theta)
Y' = x*sin(theta) + y*cos(theta)

where theta is the angle that you wish to rotate the point.
and in 2d x and y are exactly that, your x and y coordinates.
X' and Y' are the rotated coordinates.


This function works great for rotating a point about the origin, but I need to translate the functions so that the origin is centered around my arbitrary point, like dwarsoft said.

I guess my porblem is how do I do this.. I spent all night last night reading through all of my old calc books on shifting a function but that doesn't seem to work.

SteveMiester, ^_^ I would be doing everything in java2d and java3d, except I would like everything to be cross compatible. Besides that I think it would really help if I had an understanding of these functions.

Any help would be much appreciated!

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Edited by - Wrathnut on August 29, 2000 2:45:26 PM

#7 Lord Kronos   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 29 August 2000 - 07:58 AM

Its actually pretty simple, and you''ll probably kick yourself when you see the solution for not realizing it earlier.

You have a point (x1, y1) that you want to rotate by angle theta around another point (x2, y2).

First translate both points by (-x2,-y2). This places your rotational axis point at (0,0), but keeps the relative locations the same.

Now do the rotation as you stated:

x1'' = x1*cos(theta) - y1*sin(theta)
y1'' = x1*sin(theta) + y1*cos(theta)

Now translate both points by (x2, y2). The rotational axis point is back where it started, and the point you wanted to rotate is now rotated.

Of course, if you think about it, you really only need to translate & reverse translate the first point (x1,y1), and not both of them since translating the rotational axis point will always give you (0,0). This whole thing can be simplified down to

x1'' = ( (x1-x2)*cos(theta) - (y1-y2)*sin(theta) ) + x2
y1'' = ( (x1-x2)*sin(theta) + (y1-y2)*cos(theta) ) + y2
x1 = x1''
y1 = y1''

Of course should ideally optimize this so that you do less calculations (especially the sin and cos).

#8 Wrathnut   Members   -  Reputation: 360

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Posted 30 August 2000 - 04:44 AM

^_^, hehe you are right Lord Kronos, I should kick myself. Thanks alot for your insight though. I tried the could and it works great! Thanks again for eveyones help, you guys are the best.

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