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What is the difference between artificial intelligence versus normal intelligence


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#1 headfonez   Members   -  Reputation: 100

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 04:20 AM

? After all, it is the human that is making the artificial intelligent device. Much like how a man and a woman created you. They were intelligent before you came along. So should you, therefore, be considered to be artificially intelligent? [Edited by - headfonez on March 23, 2006 12:04:57 PM]

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 05:51 AM

I agree. Let's allow unmanned ships to participate in swimming competitions, since what is the difference between natural and artificial swimming?

Oh, and should this thread be closed because the question has nothing to do with game development?

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 05:57 AM

I think that your question is kind of flawed. You create artificial intelligence to make computers do things humans are good at. For example humans are good at pattern matching, but computers are not. Thus one problem in AI is how to make a computer match patterns.

The reason it's artificial is becaues the computer is doing it and not you.

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:03 AM

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The reason it's artificial is becaues the computer is doing it and not you.


If an animal did it would it be artificial intelligence?

#5 Sneftel   Senior Moderators   -  Reputation: 1776

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:07 AM

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After all, it is the human that is making the artificial intelligent device. Much like how a man and a woman created you. They were intelligent before you came along. So should you, therefore, be considered to be artificially intelligent?
Goodness. It's almost as though "Whether you were created by a human" is not a sufficient discriminator between artificial intelligence and "real intelligence". Who'da thunk it?

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:07 AM

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I agree. Let's allow unmanned ships to participate in swimming competitions, since what is the difference between natural and artificial swimming?


Yeah but to make it fair lets make all the unmanned ships swim against other unmanned ships. You know, like how professional athletes cant play in the little leagues?

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:11 AM


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After all, it is the human that is making the artificial intelligent device. Much like how a man and a woman created you. They were intelligent before you came along. So should you, therefore, be considered to be artificially intelligent?
Goodness. It's almost as though "Whether you were created by a human" is not a sufficient discriminator between artificial intelligence and "real intelligence". Who'da thunk it?




But I thought that computer programs were created by humans

#8 Sneftel   Senior Moderators   -  Reputation: 1776

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:11 AM

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But I thought that computer programs were created by humans

Yes... what's your point?

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:12 AM

Im sorry, I cant tell if you agree with the origional post

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:19 AM

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Im sorry, I cant tell if you agree with the origional post


It's called sarcasm.

#11 Sneftel   Senior Moderators   -  Reputation: 1776

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:20 AM

Here's how your argument seems to be laid out.

1. Something is artificially intelligent if it was created by humans.
2. People are created by humans.
A. By 1 and 2, people are artificially intelligent.

However, you haven't provided any support for premise 1. Your argument seems to rest on an ambiguity of definition.

#12 Simian Man   Members   -  Reputation: 1010

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:20 AM

Perhaps AI should stand for "Automated Intelligence" so it does not confuse non-programmers so much...

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:27 AM

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After all, it is the human that is making the artificial intelligent device. Much like how a man and a woman created you. ...


LOL! Maybe you need to get out more. [smile]

#14 headfonez   Members   -  Reputation: 100

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:29 AM

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Here's how your argument seems to be laid out.

1. Something is artificially intelligent if it was created by humans.
2. People are created by humans.
A. By 1 and 2, people are artificially intelligent.

However, you haven't provided any support for premise 1. Your argument seems to rest on an ambiguity of definition.


Premise 1 = anything created is intelligent, and of course, levels of intelligence varies

#15 Simian Man   Members   -  Reputation: 1010

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:31 AM

OK but that does not mean "Artificially Intelligent".

Also what about bread? I make bread, therefore bread is intelligent?

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:33 AM

Yes, but who engineered humans(as opposed to ai-driven comps.)
(It may be easy to prove concepts other than in science tend not to have a clear demarcation line...but we may agree there are also things that fall into one category or the other..bread is definitely not intelligent nowadays)

OTOH we lack the definition for AI(I guess it is a nebula but the main stream is emulating human reactions in as many situations as possible)
The emulation should have ben engineered by another intelligence(except from God, this is debatable
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To explain why is it possible to have a concept hard to define it is easy to just say concept are (mainly) the essence of a group of representants.

e.g. we say inanimate things are dumb, plants are as close as possible in this respect, animals tend to have intelligence, but definitely man posesses it.
and there are degrees by which we measure an item, helpful to further strengthen the concept:e.g.Einstein was a genious as opposed to some retard on the street.
Many other aspects concur(?) to create the concept.The end result is a comprehensible concept, but eludes nevertheless our ability to create a strict definition.(or maybe somewone did make a better job.anyway, think AI as a concept in these terms)


Conclusion we may find a concept hard to define (attempts exists see above) but it is a concept in every respect

[Edited by - vallentin on March 23, 2006 1:33:42 PM]

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:34 AM

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OK but that does not mean "Artificially Intelligent".

Also what about bread? I make bread, therefore bread is intelligent?

Yeah, just not very intelligent

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:35 AM

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Yes, but who engineered humans(as opposed to ai-driven comps.)


The great programmer

#19 Sneftel   Senior Moderators   -  Reputation: 1776

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:41 AM

Another fallacy of definition. You can't define something as intelligent but not having any intelligence.

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:43 AM

Somebody's been reading to much Science Fiction [headshake].




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