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#21 Null and Void   Moderators   -  Reputation: 1087

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 10:04 AM

Maybe Pirates will begin to look like good guys for once , heh.

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#22 Martee   Members   -  Reputation: 476

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 10:38 AM

The only good thing about WinXP is that it will finally rid the world of the hideous, hideous beast that is Win9x. I will never actually install it, of course, because I''m quite happy with Win2k.

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#23 Cyberdrek   Members   -  Reputation: 100

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 10:51 AM

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Well, I feel that the level of security that Microsoft, and anyone who follows its lead, is going to intrude upon my work and privacy. I reformat my machine fairly often (it is home built, by me), so I have to be able to do as I wish to it. I don''t want to have to talk to Microsoft and ask them for permission to install the product.

I also don''t like to power that WinXP''s introduction of .NET will bring. Microsoft is determined to "rent" you its software. Eventually, for Office you''ll have to pay a monthly fee to use it, or it will be taken away from you.

Microsoft is also dramitically raising the usage of system resources (ram, video memory) with Windows XP, so that my system will have a harder time running programs besides Windows itself. Also (this is a personal issue), I feel that Microsoft is directing their product at the idiots of the World. The people that can''t tell you want BIOS stands for, or how to make a boot disk for DOS. There will be a Helper Wizard in Windows XP. You know that paper clip in Office? Well his cousin "Merlin" will control XP for you.

Also, it looks more like MacOS, I dislike MacOS a lot. This isn''t nescessarily a good or bad thing though, since some people like MacOS...

BTW: Look at my sig. .

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Ok, I have some corrections to bring to what you just said. First of all, I''m a Mac and PC user. Now, as far as I can tell, I''ve seen Windows XP and there''s no way it looks like Mac OS, only people that don''t know Mac would say that it''s a clone. But as for the rest, Windows XP just sucks big time. The reason it sucks so bad is because I find that you don''t have enough control over the system. Anyhow, these are my views.



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#24 AMoronThatWantsToProgram   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 11:07 AM

I have found that on Gamedev.net many people here complain about micrsoft. Yet I have yet to see many people really do anything. All anybody ever really does is just come here and post a message about how much windows sucks. Now I am not a fan of microsoft nor do I hate it. I just think that most of the people here should move on to another OS and stop wasting space on this message board. As told by the anonymous poster earlier microsoft does not in anyway force you to use their products and if you think that they do I think you have a problem that should be dealt with by a bullet and shotgun aimed at your head while I pull the trigger.

Edited by - AMoronThatWantsToProgram on February 25, 2001 6:09:23 PM

#25 Null and Void   Moderators   -  Reputation: 1087

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 11:25 AM

You don''t have to read these threads either. I''m doing the best I can to make my engine Linux and Mac compatible (OpenGL and OpenAL), that way people won''t be forced to use Windows to play it. It is a small step, but its all I''m really able to take.

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#26 Null and Void   Moderators   -  Reputation: 1087

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 11:27 AM

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Ok, I have some corrections to bring to what you just said. First of all, I''m a Mac and PC user. Now, as far as I can tell, I''ve seen Windows XP and there''s no way it looks like Mac OS, only people that don''t know Mac would say that it''s a clone. But as for the rest, Windows XP just sucks big time. The reason it sucks so bad is because I find that you don''t have enough control over the system. Anyhow, these are my views.

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I didn''t mean to imply that it is a clone, I think they are borrowing certain elements from it though. It does look more like MacOS that it used to .

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#27 chill   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 11:36 AM

I love Microsoft no matter what, I have the highest respect in their company (especially Bill''s check accounts, and my stock), and I know that the registration system they''re toying with will not be this horrible thing all of you are dreading. They aren''t AOL. They know what consumers want, Bill Gates knows how to deliver people what they want. Even if the programmers can''t make their OS as stable as Linux currently is (which is going to be changing, very soon.)



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Posted 25 February 2001 - 12:38 PM

Is that a troll?

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 01:34 PM

It''s funny when people say Windows isn''t as stable as Linux. What version of Windows are you talking about? Windows 9x? Windows 2000? If you are comparing Linux and Windows 2000 then you have a problem. Windows 2000 is just as stable, if not more than Linux AND it is more usable (and can handle games too).

Windows 98 SE was as stable as a rock for me. Windows Millenium gives me numerous problems but Windows 2000 Pro is rock solid.



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#30 LordElectro   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 01:39 PM

To all the ppl whining about why we don''t just all stop using MS products if we dont like em. Umm hello? U just posted on a programming forum! In case you haven''t noticed, programmers like writing programs for platforms where they will have an audience, which in turn = money, fame, happiness, spiritual innerness, or whatever the programmer is trying to achieve. Most ppl use Windows. A successful boycott of Windows would require getting rid of all the damn computer newbies, then forcing all smart computer ppl to use Linux, at gunpoint if necessary. Soon Windows would be no more.

btw Null and Void: mind if i use ur Resist WinXP banner in my sig?

#31 Elgee   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 02:05 PM

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Clearly, corporations are not trustworthy. So we need to build new methods of economic organization in order to stop the abuses from corporations, and other organized hierarchal power structures. After the fall of the Soviet Union, a Polish person was able to emigrate to America. He said that the inner workings of corporations are much the same as the inner workings of the Soviet Union. It''s time for a new revolution. We need to build a new economic philosophy that is able to both create wealth for all, and to uphold the political, social, and economic rights of the individual. Linux, here I come.


Personally, I don''t care about your political affiliations. I hope you don''t mind me omitting that.

A few problems:
"Wealth for all"- Such a thing cannot exist. How would we judge our wealth without some sort of standard? Do you mean to give the same amount of money to an underqualified person as a superb worker? You would honestly reward inferioriority with greater amounts of money?

"Economic rights"- Excuse me. My email should be displayed. Tell me how we have economic rights. How about political rights? Even social rights? This things all vary from nation to nation. Some things allowed as ''rights'' in the States do not apply here in Canada, and we''re neighbours! Longest undefended border and all!

About Windows: What Microsoft does is it''s business, and precisely that. Microsoft is a business. Why should we make something free? Give an inch, take a mile. Just because some of us wouldn''t pirate software (RIGHT!) doesn''t mean others wouldn''t. If it inconveniences some but prevents (At least somewhat) an act that is illegal, it''s justified. The moment it gives you PROBLEMS it''s not. And having to pay for something is not a problem unless you''re flat out broke. In which case why are you on computer?


Hey, LordElectro: Null and Void - "Nice to see I haven''t been thoroughly flamed yet, heh. I''m actually hoping to convince other people to use my sig. pic, so go ahead (http://www.crosswinds.net/~druidgames/resist.jpg, my old server, before they put banners on my site) ... please ."

#32 Null and Void   Moderators   -  Reputation: 1087

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 02:11 PM

Sure LordElectro, as Elgee pointed out, I''m actually hoping for more than one person to use it. It isn''t real nice looking (about 15 seconds with Photoshop and a screen shot of Microsoft.com =P), but it gets the point across. I won''t take the image down from the server, since I don''t use that one anymore, and don''t care about their hard drive usage .

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#33 felisandria   Members   -  Reputation: 739

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 02:32 PM

I think this is one of the dumbest ideas Microsoft has come up with to date. Before you yell troll, consider:

The only software companies that have been truly successful at the "rental" idea are those who have relatively large and absolutely necessary pieces of that software that you must connect to in order to make your client software work, e.g. most MMORPGS like Everquest, Asheron''s Call, Ultima Online, etc. Even for these, people write emulators so that you don''t have to pay to play. Now, if they did this to Office, what could they possibly put on the server that people couldn''t live without? And would people who do a lot of travelling be happy about having to be connected in order to use Word? Don''t think so.

If there''s no "missing piece", what compelling reason would people have to register so they had to pay monthly fees? Sure, you can require activation numbers every month, but... I highly doubt it would take any more than 24 hours for the first crack to come out once the new style of Office is released. As is the case with any online game, ANYTHING you put on the client can and will be tampered with.

All this is going to do is screw over those who have been faithful registered users, and probably make some of the people who have been faithful about using licensed products both ticked and willing to stop being such shining pillars of righteousness (as in, many will say screw it and get cracked versions.) It''s most certainly not going to fix the currently rampant piracy problem, and it''s probably going to make many companies who actually would have to be good little registered users consider buying software from someone other than Microsoft. Microsoft doesn''t make the only office suite, I assure you. Sure, people might be willing to rent the OS itself if they really really have to, but the rest of the software? Doubt it.

-fel

#34 Shelrem   Members   -  Reputation: 134

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 03:03 PM

Well, ok, as i don''t use Windows, i can''t say too much on this subject, but i will say that if you are looking for Linux help, IRC to irc.openprojects.net #linpeople, or the name of the distro you''re using.

I use Linux as my one and only OS. I don''t think it''s for everyone (at least not right now), but i do think that it''s great for development and power users. So, how can a game programmer use it? Actually, cross-developing is pretty easy. Linux users are used to dealing with users of other OS''s, and it''s not as hard as some companies would have you believe. Libraries like SDL (www.libsdl.org) make the process a breeze. Writing a game that works on Windows, Linux, BeOS, MacOS, MacOSX, FreeBSD, Irix, and Solaris all at once isn''t really too much more diffecult than writing a Windows game, and the process of testing on different architectures really helps bring out the bugs that might otherwise go uncaught.

I guess my point is that you really can use other operating systems without much problem. John Carmack developed Quake on NeXT, for example. Don''t let fear stop you, educate yourself.

There''s a learning curve on Linux, but if you use your computer enough, as i imagine just about anyone on this forum does, the time spent learning the software will be worth it compared to the time saved using a streamlined system customized just for you.

Oh, and i can''t resist taking the trollbait. Sorry. Dire.Wolf: i''ve seen Win2k installations that approach the uptimes and stability of a properly configured Linux system, but they''re the exception, not the rule. On average, Linux is still more stable. This is not to say that Linux is perfect either: VMS has mean uptimes measured in years, which i don''t believe Linux has yet, though there are examples of systems that have been up for that kind of time. However, i''ll admit, Win2k is a great step forward in the Windows desktop-- it''s just too bad it''s being marketed as a server OS.

-ben.c



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Posted 25 February 2001 - 06:48 PM

Windows XP... hmmmm.

Currently XP stands for eXPerience, but unfortunately I have my doubts about this OS. If M$ doesn''t provide a version of WinXP that I can purchase and not "rent", then I will almost definiately stick with Win2k until I can learn enough Linux to ditch Windows altogether.

Microsoft is a bunch of whining bitches, they whine about piracy, so they put in a registration code. However IF they did make a decent OS and made upgrades free, then people would actually purchase it. (Think DOOM, it didn''t have copy protection, yet everyone had a copy because it kicked ass).

I am fed up of having to pay for a shit product, then have to pay more to fix some of the shit that was wrong with the original version... oh and to add more bloat. Great microsoft... thanks a lot.

M$ should get their priorities straight. No one is going to rent software for personal use, personally I find this an outrage. Oh but you get free upgrades... yay!



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Posted 25 February 2001 - 08:12 PM

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I am fed up of having to pay for a shit product, then have to pay more to fix some of the shit that was wrong with the original version...



That could seem weird but... I sometimes wonder... Does M$ intentionaly lets some bugs on their OS just to be able to sell more "upgrades" ?

By the way, my team and I decided to launch the "Linux Operation" once our game is done and to make cross platform development.

I haven''t developped any big cross-platform application yet but it seems that it constrains you to produce cleaner code (which is not a bad thing obviously).

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Posted 25 February 2001 - 11:52 PM

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If your take your mind off microsoft for a min then you can actually find out that their are a lot of other OSes.



''There are'' please. If you don''t know how to use their/there/they''re properly then email me. If it was just a typo or a slip of the mind, then please do not hit me.



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Posted 25 February 2001 - 11:55 PM

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I thought BIOS stood for Built-In Operating System?



Ha ha! Who told you that load of rubbish? Everyone knows it is Basic Input/Output System! Ha ha! Magmai didn''t know!



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Posted 26 February 2001 - 12:25 AM

I remember saving up $35 to get a used copy of Doom 2 . I can''t find my disks anymore, even if it is old, I still like games like that just for the nastalgic value .

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Posted 26 February 2001 - 01:18 AM

Yeah, I''m looking for an old cheap little PC at the moment to get Linux running on. I got 2 diffrent version of it right now: Suse and Red Hat.. Which one should I go for? I already tried Linux a year ago or so, but I had problems with my ATI Rage 128 cause ATI didn''t write any Xserver for it, I finally found one after a long time searching, the next thing was to get sound going. grumble grumble. never managed that. then the hard disk it was on broke and so I gave it up. I loved the stability it had. it was amazing. I love switching between the 6 consoles and kick a programm from the thread as soon as it was locked up :p

btw. Null & Void, thx for the "banner" :o)
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