Workshop participation thread for Big B
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 01:44 PM
Hey all. I'm Bryan and this is my introductory post.
Like many others, I'm a Software Developer by trade. I've also recently been told that I'm the I.T. Manager, Webmaster, and part time cleaning lady (its a small company).
I was an OK artist growing up and in high school, but not good enough to consider a lifetime or art. I took all the drafting and industrial design classes I could in high school, but there wasn't much of a freehand component to those. The most recent artwork I've done has been in Brain Age, so I don't have any previous art to show.
Basically I'd like to draw better (and who wouldn't) and the only way to do that is practice.
Like many others, I'm a Software Developer by trade. I've also recently been told that I'm the I.T. Manager, Webmaster, and part time cleaning lady (its a small company).
I was an OK artist growing up and in high school, but not good enough to consider a lifetime or art. I took all the drafting and industrial design classes I could in high school, but there wasn't much of a freehand component to those. The most recent artwork I've done has been in Brain Age, so I don't have any previous art to show.
Basically I'd like to draw better (and who wouldn't) and the only way to do that is practice.
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Posted 02 November 2006 - 03:20 PM
You clearly didn't draw from the picture, but rather from a slightly higher vantage point. Your drawing isn't bad, though in some places you had your knowledge of the nature of the objects interfere (a very common error).
Try this: take this picture and draw from it, but turn it upside down before you start to draw. Just give it a shot and let's see how that turns out.
Try this: take this picture and draw from it, but turn it upside down before you start to draw. Just give it a shot and let's see how that turns out.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 05:04 AM
Well, I redrew the watch and charger, using the old drawing as the reference. Drawing it upside down was pretty easy since I just drew on the opposite side of the sketch book. I think the lines are a lot cleaner in this one, and I didn't add anything that wasn't in the original sketch.
The faint lines in the background of the charger are from one of my wife's sketches. You can also see where I restarted the watch.
The faint lines in the background of the charger are from one of my wife's sketches. You can also see where I restarted the watch.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 05:14 AM
Heres my 50s cover sketch. The source is from a Canadian True Crime Cases magazine. It was the tamest one I could find. It looks like the 50s were much more sexualized than what is typically portrayed about the era. Every other cover seemed to play to the women-getting-clothes-ripped-off fetish.
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I don't think I'd want to revisit this until we go over faces and shading. Without shading its hard to convey a lot of the detail, and without trying to sound too self-deprecating, I suck at faces.
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I don't think I'd want to revisit this until we go over faces and shading. Without shading its hard to convey a lot of the detail, and without trying to sound too self-deprecating, I suck at faces.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 06:17 PM
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Heres my 50s cover sketch. The source is from a Canadian True Crime Cases magazine. It was the tamest one I could find. It looks like the 50s were much more sexualized than what is typically portrayed about the era. Every other cover seemed to play to the women-getting-clothes-ripped-off fetish.
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...without trying to sound too self-deprecating, I suck at faces.
Everyone does, actually. The human face is pretty challenging to draw with a high degree of realism without using a reference, though the more you learn about natural proportions and anatomical shapes the easier it is. Also, I think you might be quite interested when we talk about childhood drawing and our internal symbol systems.
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 06:51 AM
I'm not even sure if faces are harder than most things to draw, or if it's just our brains that seem better trained at noticing nuances on them, and as such variations that wouldn't be noticeable elsewhere are very visible in faces.
In any case, the end result is the same - everyone sucks at faces :)
In any case, the end result is the same - everyone sucks at faces :)
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 09:15 AM
There are a few curious things about the way our brains process faces. First, we apparently reduce faces to the absolute minimum amount of information necessary (a good sketch artist or caricaturist can evoke a face so precisely with just a few lines). Second, we fill in missing details, which is why we see faces in clouds and in the moon and in wood grain.
Drawing general-purpose faces isn't too hard. Drawing specific faces to a degree of fidelity and consistency, now that's hard.
Drawing general-purpose faces isn't too hard. Drawing specific faces to a degree of fidelity and consistency, now that's hard.
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Posted 06 November 2006 - 10:37 AM
Your Doctor's face isn't bad at all. Drawing wrinkly old faces is actually alot easier than drawing nubile young women, I think.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 02:44 PM
Heres my alternate assignment #2. Its a statue of a tourist in Shanghai, China that I found in a big list of strange statues here (Warning: contains statue nudity)
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I took about an hour to do, and I'm pretty happy with the results.
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I took about an hour to do, and I'm pretty happy with the results.
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Posted 02 December 2006 - 04:09 PM
The last one is looking better. My only advice for you would be this:
It looks like you're using your left brain a bit on your drawings. This has always been my (and it seems, a lot of people's) problem learning to draw. What I mean by this is that it looks like you're drawing things, vs replicating lines and color. For example, it looks like you'll draw a face as a pair of eyes, a nose and a mouth, as opposed to simply looking at the face not as a face, but as lines and color as your eye sees it before the brain analyzes it and tells you what (in human terms) you're looking at.
It looks like you're using your left brain a bit on your drawings. This has always been my (and it seems, a lot of people's) problem learning to draw. What I mean by this is that it looks like you're drawing things, vs replicating lines and color. For example, it looks like you'll draw a face as a pair of eyes, a nose and a mouth, as opposed to simply looking at the face not as a face, but as lines and color as your eye sees it before the brain analyzes it and tells you what (in human terms) you're looking at.
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Posted 08 December 2006 - 05:25 PM
The left/right brain thing is an unprofitable distraction, even though my recommended text is Edwards' The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. The truth is that learning to draw - realistically or otherwise - is learning to see. Our brains, our total brains, quickly abstract most of the visual information we are impressed with because otherwise we would be overloaded. The majority of learning to draw well is learning how to tap into that information that is normally discarded. The rest is learning how to recreate it recognizably.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 11:52 AM
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It looks like you're using your left brain a bit on your drawings. ... What I mean by this is that it looks like you're drawing things, vs replicating lines and color...
I was going to say the exact opposite. My impression is that Big B is trying to copy details without regard to their importance. In the drawing of the statue, the cart and building behind it dominate, though they would be considered negative space in the picture. It is a picture of a statue, so even if you drew just the statue and nothing else, it would be a reasonably accurate depiction.
On the other hand, just copying pictures seems like a good way to train. When kids learn to write, they draw the letters of the alphabet over and over until they can draw them without copying them. In the same way, you might copy pictures until you can draw forms and textures without a reference.
Anyway, that's my opinion and I am not an expert, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:17 PM
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I was going to say the exact opposite. My impression is that Big B is trying to copy details without regard to their importance. In the drawing of the statue, the cart and building behind it dominate, though they would be considered negative space in the picture. It is a picture of a statue, so even if you drew just the statue and nothing else, it would be a reasonably accurate depiction.
The cart and building dominate because they occupy more space in the drawing. Crop the drawing without changing anything else and the relationship is altered:
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 05:57 AM
Not a bad pair of drawings. The proportions on the Picasso are slightly off - the shoulders are too narrow, for example, and it's quite possible that in the back of your mind you were very aware of the fact that you were drawing a guy in a chair. I know that I was when I did mine.
Try the photograph I posted to the assignment thread. I'll be posting another drawing assignment today.
Try the photograph I posted to the assignment thread. I'll be posting another drawing assignment today.
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Posted 23 February 2007 - 12:53 PM
I used Gimp to find the edges and started off that. Drawing Einstein was a bit tricky since the only well defined lines were on his forehead, everything else blended in a bit. I then switched to the original photo after finishing with the edged version since it left off your eyebrows (I thought something looked weird). There was some flipping between the two before I was happy with the results.
