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Should I write my own blitters?


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#1 voodoo   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 03 November 1999 - 10:03 PM

I am making a 16bit game engine and I have read articles here and there and say that it is better to write your own blitter routines cause the DX blit routines are to slow. So should I continue writting my own blit routines or should I use the DX BLT. The only advantage I c to writting my own bltters is for portability.

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Posted 23 October 1999 - 11:31 AM

You should go with using the directx blitters. The reason for this is that by using the dx blitters, dx will automatically take advantage of any hardware acceleration available.

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Posted 23 October 1999 - 12:09 PM

Yeah, but there are a quite a few reasons to write your own blitter:

If you are blitting a lot to system memory there you really can't take advantage of any hardware acceleration because there is none.

If you want to do alpha-blending, or if you want to do color conversion, you will really have to write your own blitter.

DirectDraw's Blit locks the surface before and unlocks after. So if you have a lot of blits you have that Lock/Unlock overhead

Also, it's not hard to write your own blitter.

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#4 Zenroth   Members   -  Reputation: 127

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Posted 23 October 1999 - 12:23 PM

Hmm my card says i have acceleration for system to video.......

#5 voodoo   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 23 October 1999 - 05:40 PM

Here we go again! hehe I asked the question to avoid getting mixed revues I think I will write my own blitters for a couple reasons...

1- I guess I will learn something.
2- I am in the process of making an alpha blitter so might as well continue it
3- I guess eventually, I will have les problems porting.

Anyways, Splat i will continue writting my own blitter maybe you can help me optimize it later on!


#6 Zenroth   Members   -  Reputation: 127

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Posted 23 October 1999 - 07:56 PM

I agree on writting your own blitter for some things. But in general i would mostly use directdraw's. Because can you do all the work for things like mmx,videomemory,acceleration,ect? For alpha ya your gonna have to write your own or use d3d. Do the locks unlocks hurt real bad.. I cant say for sure but on my 4mb card in 800x600 and no bitmaps other than the screen and backbuffer in videomemory. I get 75+ fps(max of my refresh) drawing 32x32 tiles to fill the screen(each using directdraws blt)


Anyways i suggest you leave ddraw blitting as a option (after all if they have 32mb of memory and you can fit all your images in vram.......)


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Posted 23 October 1999 - 08:49 PM

voodoo: I would be glad to help you out once you've got some prototype blitter code working. If you haven't already, you might want to check out the MMX Enhanced Alpha-Blending article up on this site somewhere...

I agree that it would be stupid to forget the DirectDraw blitter, since those video memory -> video memory blits are just SO nice. Having a full-featured self-written software blitter, a damn-fast bare-bones DirectDraw software blitter, and a super-fast video-video mem hardware blitter gives you quite an arsenal when it comes to speeding up your game once you run into graphic bottlenecks.

- Splat


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Posted 24 October 1999 - 05:59 PM

Guys, I spoke to one of the best game programmers out there, Andre Lamothe, for those who don't know him. He is the author of Windows Game Programming for Dummmies, Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus and the old Dos versions...

And I quote:
"you can't beat the speed of hardware period. Use the blitter."

So bassicly I will use the DX blitters for basic blitting, but for doing alpha, and additive blending I will have to go and write my own stuff.



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Posted 24 October 1999 - 06:20 PM


Yep, its virtually impossible to blit in software faster than the hardware blitter can do it. I don't have any benchs of the performance difference though.

My project game is written purely with software draws to a system-memory buffer, which is blitted to the screen. This allows for very exchangable software drawing routines. (Have a draw pointer that can be set for normal, alpha, add, or whatever drawing style you wish)

Still, if you're going to be > 640x480 res, or doing alot of overdraw, hardware blit is a good idea, even if it makes you unportable.

-- Remnant


#10 Matt   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 24 October 1999 - 07:50 PM

Really, it depends on your game, but I feel in general it is better to write your own. Yes you lose the hardware capabilities, but many times you can do it better, and nearly as fast.

Depending on your game, you can avoid tons of locks/unlocks if you do it yourself. Also, since you know what format the data will be in, your blitter can be very specialized and fast.

If you only have a couple of blits per frame to do, then go ahead and use the ddraw blitter, but if you have more than 10 or so, I'd start to consider writing your own.


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Posted 27 October 1999 - 09:53 AM

what cards out there support 2d hardware blitting? (acceleration)

ati in general i think is one of em who else?


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#12 voodoo   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 28 October 1999 - 05:53 PM

In our days I think even the budget cards support hardware blitting.

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Posted 02 November 1999 - 05:59 PM

any cards made in about the last 6 years have hardware acceleration (though maybe not to the same degree).

however, no cards have support for advanced blitting functions such as alpha blending, add-blending, etc etc, which is why we're all making our own.

-- Remnant


#14 voodoo   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 02 November 1999 - 08:00 PM

Yeah and MS promissed alpha blending in DX 7 I guess not!!!

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Posted 02 November 1999 - 09:15 PM

It must be taking Microsoft a little longer then expected to find someone to buy thier alpha blending code off them. (then take all the credit for developing it)

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Posted 02 November 1999 - 11:57 PM

When you writting a game it can be very usefull to anticipate different hardware configurations, and take advantage of each.

Stuff to remember:
-Some AGP cards can hardware blit to and from system and video memmory very very fast, some actually use system ram as video ram (watch your system ram drop by up to 16Megs). Example Intel's I740 very nice graphics card.
-Some PCI cards support DMA blitting to and from system ram but to take advantage of hardware acceleration lock the surface, some cards can get around this.
-As far as I know no ISA card supports hardware blitting with system ram.

Soluttion:
Write 3 update/blitting routines
1. Takes advantage of AGP cards that support system to video ram blits.
2. Takes advantage of DMA blitting if the lock call is not required use the 1st routine.
3. Write your own blitting routine in ASM for system to video ram blits as that will be faster then Direct X software blits.

If anyone wants more details on how to check for these features contact me on
phillip.stiby@u.genie.co.uk

Stibbs - Multimedia Expert


#17 voodoo   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 03 November 1999 - 10:03 PM

ISA cards?? Do we even care about them anymore:P




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