First of all, I am a confused christian, and I am creating this thread to see if I can clear out some fog in my head. So lets start.
Obviously this will be an opinion thread, so here goes for me...
Claim: The bible is false in the sense that it was not written with the guidance of "god"
However, I will re-order your support items just a little.
There is no type of evidence that supports the bible and anything in the bible
Most events declared in the bible are "fairy tale" like, and nothing supports their claims.
Some events, were explained by science and thus was not a supernatural. It was an actual explainable event with some probability.
This I think is the most important.
You wrote it as one item, but I see about five in there.
First, you would need to accept the existence of deity in some form. You would need to accept that "God" represents that deity. And accept that God has an interest in our affairs. If you assert that the divine guidance was never involved, then your claim "that it was not written with the guidance of god" is pretty clear.
You said you are Christian, so I'll make some assumptions that the above is not the case.
I'll assume that as a Christian you do believe in God. And that God has an interest in our affairs. And that God communicates through prophets and through inspiration. And that those prophets and inspired people have recorded their inspired stories, and that other people have recorded stories of inspired individuals and prophets as they have heard them.
My belief is that God does indeed communicate to man.
Analogy time: A baby starts eating mother's milk, then gets weaned to mashed fruits and veggies, and slowly expands their diet to cover a full range of foods; you don't start by stuffing steak in a newborn's mouth. Next analogy: School children being with basic concepts and simple statements, gradually expanding in detail, depth, and nuance as the child's capacity to understand it increases; many times the concepts are incomplete or only partially true. You start a first grader on basic addition and subtraction, you hold off mathematical proofs of basic operations until number theory courses in college and have the capacity and background necessary to understand. And yet.... when science reveals that the food we give our babies is actually toxic and causes cancer, and new scientific theories completely destroy those currently being taught, what will people in the future think of our basic actions?
So too with how God would communicate to man. The recorded word says that God spoke with Moses, and Moses was shown the entire world from beginning to end. Do you suppose that Moses would understand the world as we see it today? Or that he would understand the world as it was seen in the 1400s? Or that he would understand the world as it was seen 2000 years ago? Or 4000 years ago? No, that isn't reasonable. Moses would have interpreted what he saw and experienced in terms he was familiar with. He would have recorded (or caused the scribes to record) his own interpretations of what he heard and saw. He could only process it in terms of what he already understood.
There are many things that we see and experience today that are completely outside the realm of understanding of people even a few decades before. How would you explain the Internet to those who have no concept of electronics just a century ago?
Next up, the concept of literacy. Many of the people in Bible stories were illiterate. Many prophets and kings relied on scribes to record their words. Many stories were not immediately recorded at all, traveling through many people before getting recorded. Some, like the story of Job, were written in poetic form. Does that mean that they cease to be divinely inspired? I don't believe so. Instead, you must take that at its value and accomidate for it within your beliefs.
You say they are fairy-tale like, and several are. I tell my own children stories of my own life and they enjoy them; I often start with "Once upon a time there was a little boy named Bryan, and one day he went out on an adventure..." These are stories of my life being recounted to my children, they are true to my memory, yet they are in fairy tale form. Would you say that immediately makes the story false? Would the life lessons I learned the hard way become less true simply because I use a format they enjoy? Does it harm the facts to reduce the story down to just those most relevant details expressed in a way they understand? I don't think so.
Finally in this group of claims, the issue of it not being outside the realm of probability.
Are you saying that all miracles must be outside of a particular probability? Are you saying that miracles must lay completely outside of science? I don't see how that works. Why would we need to be surrounded by mighty miracles that defy description?
I see a world where we are surrounded by miracles. Does it seem far-fetched that world is filled with miracles, divine inspiration, and at the same time is utterly mundane? How many stories are there where a mother feels prompted to check on her child only to discover them in a life-threatening situation? Was that divine inspiration or just some pattern of subconscious thought, or perhaps both? How many stories are there where people were protected from harm and they attribute it to God, where it can just as easily be attributed to a chaos butterfly effect? A thing can have a perfectly mundane scientific explanation and still be a miracle. Even our modern science itself I attribute to miracles and inspiration. Is a premature baby spending six months in a NICU and ultimately turning out just as healthy as a full-term child any less a miracle simply because doctors employed machines while the family spent time a few rooms away in the hospital's chapel? I spent two summers working in a hospital and saw enough for myself; go visit a hospital and ask some friendly doctors and nurses if they believe in everyday miracles.
Combining these I take it as refuting this group of claims. I believe there is plenty of evidence that supports stories in the bible, and that while the stories were told by people with a different understanding and interpretation of the world, they still contain inspired truth, and that miracles are all around us if we care to open our eyes to them.
So moving on, let's assume the stories were divinely inspired, which brings us to:
Originally there was a lot of contradiction in the bible because it was written by humans
These contradictions were refractor-ed by a humans, specifically some committee of who's name I can't recall
If it wasn't for all of these refractor, more and more people will be aware of such contradiction and hence people will start to question and possible see the problems with the bible. Which could cause a tremendous loss in the business of selling bibles and spiritual objects
There were actually much more than one.
The bible is not a single work. It is a compendium of a bunch of records that were kept in various languages, translated many times, consolidated, and more. Errors were made in copies. Errors were made in translations. There were many times that scholars collected multiple copies, compared the differences, and attempted to resolve errors between them, or gathered copies and attempted to translate them. Many records were left out because the scholars and clerics decided against it, perhaps through revelation and inspiration, or perhaps not. Many records were lost or destroyed, for reasons I'll let you ponder yourself. Perhaps records were added that should not have been, or omitted in error.
There were many times where groups of scholars and clerics collected hundreds or thousands of source manuscripts, compiled them, translated them, studied over them, and did their best to generate a translation that better fit the language use at that time. We wouldn't have a bible in any modern language without these dedicated workers.
There were many councils of religion that attempted to resolve perceived conflicts. There were many different councils held
by many different groups, the Nicene and Constantinople are the most prominent in my mind. Some tried to resolve differences between their popular culture and established scripture. Others attempted to resolve differences between differing copies and translations of manuscripts, or get manuscripts accepted as doctrine.
I'll even agree that there were translations done and councils made where people shared the purposes you mentioned, a loss of business and improvements to sales.
Does this mean that they did not seek council from God? Does this mean that individuals involved were completely exempt from inspiration? Does this mean that the inspired stories lost their inspiration?
I don't think it does.
I just think it means you should be careful with your interpretations, and especially careful about exact literal quotations in a particular translation. There have been millions of scholars across several thousand years who have collected the documents and done their work as an act of faith. I believe that much of the truth of the bible remains intact, but not in directly literal translations.
In factual sense, the bible is no more true than the Quran( the religious text of Islam) . The reason why many people believe this book than others is because they were brought up by it. When they were little, they had no intelligence to rebuttal and question the content of the bible deductively. And thus the result is that they take it true for granted from day one. Honestly, imagine you were a christian brought up with parents who believes hinduism. You would most likely believe this hinduism, especially if you were never able to leave india( assuming thats where you were born) which in turn would cause you to never find christianity with a high probability, because of their strict culture.
I don't see how this applies to your claim that "that it was not written with the guidance of god". Islam believes in many books of the Old Testament just like the Jews. They believe in many of the early Jewish prophets like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Moses, and Aaron. They also believe in many books in the New Testament, which is very much unlike Judaism. They believe that Christ was a very significant prophet, which is a point discussed in several early Christian ecumenical councils trying to decide if Christ was a prophet or savior.
When I have talked with some of my Muslim friends, they share a belief with me that a great deal of the biblical stories are true and have great worth. There is an extremely large overlap between Islam and Christianity, perhaps more than the overlap of current Orthodox Judaism with current Christianity.
It is my own choice to reach a different conclusion than them.
There are things in the bible, still, that regular people find disturbing, such as the topic of homosexual, or parsing men more important than women.
Really, if it was written by god's disciples, and were the words of god, then such discrimination shouldn't exist, because god is suppose to love everyone of every type.
It also says that unless you follow him specifically, you will live eternity in hell? WTF!!! My family members are hindu, they are one of the best people that I know. My friend is not a believer in jesus, but possibly of a believer of there being a creator in general. He is one of the nicest and caring person that I know. Should he goto hell? For what? For some minuscule sins? So the bible is saying, I could kill thousands of people, and ask for forgiveness with all my heart and be truly sorry, and from there be the best person I can be, then I will goto heaven, but my friend who does nothing* wrong, tries to pleases people before him, will go to hell because he didn't believe in jesus in particular! Come on now, that does not sound like "god's words".
I think that is a personal interpretation.
Like you, I find it disturbing that so many religions take such an exclusive view.
Love God first, love your neighbor and yourself second. Forgive others and ask others to forgive you. Seek repentance for your own sins, and call others to repentance with love and understanding. Invite all mankind to come to God through faith, hope, charity, and love. Those are just a few simple concepts I get from bible sermons.
So in desperate help, I ask you to prove me false. I ask you to rebuttal each and everyone of these statements. My mind is going crazy these last few nights. The more I think about it rationally, the less I believe.
I'm sorry to hear that.
There are many excellent religions out there. Most have got a mix of the current popular philosophies mixed with variations on scriptural themes. I haven't found any where they aren't mixed with popular culture, but I have found one that I believe to be the most true of those I have studied.
Some of my core beliefs are that God is our father in a very literal sense, and that he loves us all just like an ideal mortal father should love his children. He has always given guidance to those who ask for help with faith. I have a core belief that God has not stopped talking to prophets and to individuals; we can still pray and God will answer, but even more than that there are still prophets on the Earth who commune with God on behalf of mankind, the same as has been recorded by many different religions across the globe through all recorded history. I believe that everyone will be resurrected through the atonement of Christ, and that every individual will have the opportunity to accept or deny all the glories God offers, and that they will make the choice with full knowledge of their decision, and that they will ultimately be allowed to reach whatever they desire even if that desire is completely contrary to the desires of God. These are beliefs that my religion also teaches.
I hope you find a good resolution to your spiritual crisis, one that you can feel happy about.