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#1 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4692

Posted 19 November 2011 - 11:24 AM

Neutrinos are actually faster than light (But I thought Star Trek already confirmed this)

Metal that is lighter than air (I wonder how compares to nanocarbons)

Not all matter are the exact opposite of antimatter (It seems that physics may have to be rewritten)


Hopefully I'll get my space elevator and teleporter very very soon. :D
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#2 way2lazy2care   Members   -  Reputation: 782

Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:59 PM

Neutrinos are actually faster than light (But I thought Star Trek already confirmed this)

Metal that is lighter than air (I wonder how compares to nanocarbons)

Not all matter are the exact opposite of antimatter (It seems that physics may have to be rewritten)


Hopefully I'll get my space elevator and teleporter very very soon. :D


The new lithium ion battery stuff that came out last week was fairly cool also

#3 irreversible   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1409

Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:59 PM

Neutrinos are actually faster than light (But I thought Star Trek already confirmed this)

Holy crap. Really. I mean, really.

I'm still waiting for independent groups (eg the Japanese) to effectively confirm this, though.




#4 Cornstalks   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 6991

Posted 19 November 2011 - 07:18 PM


Neutrinos are actually faster than light (But I thought Star Trek already confirmed this)

Holy crap. Really. I mean, really.

I'm still waiting for independent groups (eg the Japanese) to effectively confirm this, though.


Yeah, I read an article where one scientist said it's far from being proven. Basically he was saying only two experiments isn't enough to validate it as fact. Though it does give the whole thing more validity and I'm sure the scientific community is going to dig into this pretty hard now.

I, for one, am stoked for the lithium ion battery stuff discoveries. Maybe I could go more than a full day without worrying about my phone's battery!
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#5 way2lazy2care   Members   -  Reputation: 782

Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:14 PM

I, for one, am stoke for the lithium ion battery stuff discoveries. Maybe I could go more than a full day without worrying about my phone's battery!


Things like laptops and tablets would become far more usable also. We'd also get a pretty sizable increase in power because they wouldn't have to do the power vs. battery length balancing.

#6 Casey Hardman   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2250

Posted 19 November 2011 - 11:02 PM

I saw some video of a news report on a """""""discovery""""""" of the 'God particle', but the person they were interviewing (a scientist or something) basically just said "So yeah, we were doing this stuff and we found that we got results!!"


Great, glad this is on the news. Maybe once you find out something useful you should seek publicity?

#7 SteveDeFacto   Banned   -  Reputation: 109

Posted 20 November 2011 - 12:30 AM

Neutrinos are actually faster than light (But I thought Star Trek already confirmed this)


Heh, this fits perfectly with the theory I've always had. I believe ALL particles have mass and mass is relative to a particle's velocity, whether internal or external. Basically, the more energy/velocity a particle has the more it warps spacetime. If a particle has zero mass than it would be at all points in spacetime or essentially it would be nothing. Even though a neutrino can move faster than light it is only because it is a weaker/smaller particle. Meaning greatly faster than light communication or travel would still be impossible without perhaps warping space to do so.

#8 JustChris   Members   -  Reputation: 150

Posted 20 November 2011 - 12:58 AM

As the Cern press release says, they shortened the length of the neutrino "bunches"

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-15791236

Still too early to get excited about it, but it's very interesting. as this article states, we'll probably have to wait for it to be confirmed or otherwise at one of the other experiments. Keep your eye on it though.
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#9 mdwh   Members   -  Reputation: 901

Posted 21 November 2011 - 07:04 AM


Neutrinos are actually faster than light (But I thought Star Trek already confirmed this)


Heh, this fits perfectly with the theory I've always had. I believe ALL particles have mass and mass is relative to a particle's velocity, whether internal or external. Basically, the more energy/velocity a particle has the more it warps spacetime. If a particle has zero mass than it would be at all points in spacetime or essentially it would be nothing. Even though a neutrino can move faster than light it is only because it is a weaker/smaller particle. Meaning greatly faster than light communication or travel would still be impossible without perhaps warping space to do so.

No offence but - even if this discovery turns out to be true, I bet that special relativity will still be a better description of reality, and far better supported by experimental evidence, then your "theory" ;)
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#10 way2lazy2care   Members   -  Reputation: 782

Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:06 AM

As the Cern press release says, they shortened the length of the neutrino "bunches"

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-15791236

Still too early to get excited about it, but it's very interesting. as this article states, we'll probably have to wait for it to be confirmed or otherwise at one of the other experiments. Keep your eye on it though.


The experiments have been carried out by the Opera collaboration - short for Oscillation Project with Emulsion (T)racking Apparatus.

THEY CHEAT AT ACRONYMS.

edit: So just to make sure I'm understanding this experiment from a layman's perspective. Cern blew up some protons with the LHC/SPS and altered/filtered the bits that came out into just neutrinos and pointed them in the general direction of some special bricks in Italy and timed their travel?

double edit: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm http://genevalunch.com/blog/2011/11/21/cern-faster-than-light-neutrinos-not-so-says-second-italian-group/

#11 JustinDaniel   Members   -  Reputation: 137

Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:01 AM

Did you guys know?
Star trek already confirmed that Neutrino was faster than light and that, no one accepted the truth because there was not many support, But in 2 months everyone just started to support it.

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#12 SteveDeFacto   Banned   -  Reputation: 109

Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:07 AM



Neutrinos are actually faster than light (But I thought Star Trek already confirmed this)


Heh, this fits perfectly with the theory I've always had. I believe ALL particles have mass and mass is relative to a particle's velocity, whether internal or external. Basically, the more energy/velocity a particle has the more it warps spacetime. If a particle has zero mass than it would be at all points in spacetime or essentially it would be nothing. Even though a neutrino can move faster than light it is only because it is a weaker/smaller particle. Meaning greatly faster than light communication or travel would still be impossible without perhaps warping space to do so.

No offence but - even if this discovery turns out to be true, I bet that special relativity will still be a better description of reality, and far better supported by experimental evidence, then your "theory" ;)


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#13 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4692

Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:23 AM

Did you guys know?
......

Of course we did. Did you read the OP?
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#14 Krokhin   Members   -  Reputation: 218

Posted 23 November 2011 - 10:18 AM

Not all matter are the exact opposite of antimatter (It seems that physics may have to be rewritten)

It's well known thing,afaik since 70x, or may be earlier. We and everything around are existing because the number of particles after Bigbang was slightly more than antiparticles.

#15 nilkn   Members   -  Reputation: 960

Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:59 PM

The neutrino experiment really needs to be reproduced in a different lab in order to get some sort of actual or partial verification.

Unfortunately, that's not really possible. This is going to be an ongoing issue with essentially any new result from the LHC that cannot be duplicated elsewhere.

#16 way2lazy2care   Members   -  Reputation: 782

Posted 23 November 2011 - 02:53 PM

The neutrino experiment really needs to be reproduced in a different lab in order to get some sort of actual or partial verification.

Unfortunately, that's not really possible. This is going to be an ongoing issue with essentially any new result from the LHC that cannot be duplicated elsewhere.


It seems like they could build another nuetron(edit nuetrino... stupid sub-atomic particles being named similarly) tube pointing at another lab somewhere else to at least reproduce the results a bit. Still some error involved in using the LHC in both, but it would probably be more cost effective than building another collider. Maybe they could reproduce it using Fermilab also?

#17 irreversible   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1409

Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:13 PM


The neutrino experiment really needs to be reproduced in a different lab in order to get some sort of actual or partial verification.

Unfortunately, that's not really possible. This is going to be an ongoing issue with essentially any new result from the LHC that cannot be duplicated elsewhere.


It seems like they could build another nuetron tube pointing at another lab somewhere else to at least reproduce the results a bit. Still some error involved in using the LHC in both, but it would probably be more cost effective than building another collider. Maybe they could reproduce it using Fermilab also?


I think having another team work on it might suffice. It's highly improbable in this case that anything other than clock sync/timing can account for this and 1) a timing mechanism can be constructed from ground, b) fresh eyes have a good chance of catching any other human error there might be. A different kind of technical issue would be somewhat strange as it's unlikely they overpowered their accelerator to break the laws of physics by accident.

#18 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4692

Posted 23 November 2011 - 06:45 PM

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#19 samoth   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 5037

Posted 24 November 2011 - 04:59 AM


I, for one, am stoke for the lithium ion battery stuff discoveries. Maybe I could go more than a full day without worrying about my phone's battery!


Things like laptops and tablets would become far more usable also. We'd also get a pretty sizable increase in power because they wouldn't have to do the power vs. battery length balancing.


But, who needs cells, laptops, and tablets anyway. It's so nice when these things are quiet.

Much more importantly, that discovery may finally make electric cars competitive. Current generation takes around 8 hours for a full charge, giving a maximum cruising range of about 170 km. Which, frankly, as nice as an electric car may otherwise be, is utter shit compared to what combustion engines deliver.

Now... full charged in under 50 minutes and a 1700 km cruising range... that's a different story. :)

#20 a_loho   Members   -  Reputation: 106

Posted 24 November 2011 - 05:37 AM

Yeah, I read an article where one scientist said it's far from being proven. Basically he was saying only two experiments isn't enough to validate it as fact. Though it does give the whole thing more validity and I'm sure the scientific community is going to dig into this pretty hard now.


Nitpicking, but even an infinite amount of experiments could not validate a theory as a fact.







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