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#61 Gaiiden   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 5160

Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:19 AM

I'll admit the first-unread post jump isn't intuitive but it's there.

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#62 SiCrane   Moderators   -  Reputation: 9593

Posted 03 January 2012 - 06:16 PM

Which would help more if that column also allowed you to open read threads. As it is, to open read threads you need to click the thread title or the page number, which means my mouse pointer is going all over the screen as I browse the forum. Again, this would be less of a problem if the page numbers were next to the thread title, or if the page numbers showed up for a single page thread or something a little more consistent.

#63 Gaiiden   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 5160

Posted 03 January 2012 - 11:42 PM

This is all stuff you should really be taking directly to Invision, not us. I'm not trying to foist off responsibility but any changes we make to improve UI stuff like this we will have to maintain through Invision's own versioning of the software and there's every chance we get this working tomorrow and then in 3 months Invision releases an IP.Board update that completely breaks it. This is unfortunately the reality of how the site is developed now that we no longer are working off our own custom codebase

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#64 Endurion   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3553

Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:28 AM

On several occasions I get a warning bar from IE (8), on XP, that the browser changed the site to disallow cross site scripting. This seems to stem from some of the ads, which are then replaced by #s.

You might want to check in that, even if it's not a valid warning, it leaves a bad aftertaste. This did not happen in the old GameDev version.

Just happened, seems to appear with
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#65 SiCrane   Moderators   -  Reputation: 9593

Posted 04 January 2012 - 07:27 AM

This is all stuff you should really be taking directly to Invision, not us.

Yeah, I'm not really interested in keeping track of what aspects of the forum are due to gamedev's code and what are part of Invision's code. If I play Fallout: New Vegas and the program crashes due to problems in Gamebryo's engine, I still file the report with the developer of the game and not the developer of the engine. I don't care that it's not Obsidian's code that's crashing. This is still gamedev's site, so complaints get filed in your direction. What you do with it is your decision, but telling me to complain directly to Invision is foisting off responsibility.

#66 Gaiiden   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 5160

Posted 04 January 2012 - 08:04 AM

If you want us to take this issue to Invision we'll need to know this is something that more people would like to see than just you. I guess I should say that if you want to bypass convincing us that it's a worthwhile change you can instead approach Invision directly with the idea for them to consider. If you rally enough support over there and they make a change towards what you would like to see in a later update then when we update it'll be available here.

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#67 roverstu   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 219

Posted 04 January 2012 - 08:45 AM

Take a breath guys - We can always look at how to improve the interface on our side since we definitely don't want things to be unintuitive.

#68 SiCrane   Moderators   -  Reputation: 9593

Posted 04 January 2012 - 08:50 AM

Look, I don't think this is a big deal. Inconvenient, but a not a big deal. However, you guys asked for feedback, and I'm giving it to you. If you don't want to listen to me explaining why new aspects of the forum are suboptimal, then maybe you should take down that line at the top of the forum pages saying to leave comments in this forum. If you ask for it, don't complain about getting it.

#69 roverstu   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 219

Posted 04 January 2012 - 09:26 AM

We do appreciate the feedback and it has been very helpful. I know Drew was battling article stuff the better part of last night and he's frustrated with some aspects of the IPS software right now. We just have to fix what we can fix on our end and do the best we can with the rest. Having a third company party do the updates at least has allowed us to get more updates out there, but is requiring more adjustment on our part on how to best mold the software to our community and vice-versa.

#70 Gaiiden   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 5160

Posted 04 January 2012 - 11:24 AM

Yes, I am frustrated right now (and cranky), but I'm not complaining! I'm trying to make it clear that you no longer have to rely solely on us for improvements to this site's software. That is all. This particular type of feedback can't be acted upon based on one person's opinion so I'm saying that you can either make the effort to convice us (with something like a petition or poll) or Invision to implement some changes, and that in my opinion it would be better to convince Invision since this is the type of modification I don't see as having to be unique to our site.

[edit]
Mike's been talking to me on Skype about this response and I realize I may still not have made myself clear. I'm not telling you to take your suggestions to Invision because I don't want to hear them. I'm telling you to take your suggestions (actually this particular issue - I am not referring to anything else you've submitted thus far) to Invision becuase I feel that's the better option for improving this software given both our own limited resources and the fact that we have to remain compliant with changes made to this software which means it's best if the company in charge of developing the software is the one that makes them. This is simply my rationale in responding as such to this particular issue.

I absolutely want to continue to hear your thoughts and suggestions and respond to them just as I have all your previous ones, and just as I have everyone elses.

I'm sorry for any misunderstanding that led you to believe I was simply trying to get you to take your issues elsewhere because I was tired of hearing them.

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#71 DarklyDreaming   Members   -  Reputation: 363

Posted 04 January 2012 - 11:47 AM

Yes, I am frustrated right now (and cranky), but I'm not complaining! I'm trying to make it clear that you no longer have to rely solely on us for improvements to this site's software. That is all. This particular type of feedback can't be acted upon based on one person's opinion so I'm saying that you can either make the effort to convice us (with something like a petition or poll) or Invision to implement some changes, and that in my opinion it would be better to convince Invision since this is the type of modification I don't see as having to be unique to our site.

Don't worry Gaiiden, I get what you're saying -- we can't rely on GD staff fixing stuff that isn't really custom to the site. Got it. Posted Image

Well, while we are on the subject of complaining -- I hate the text editor. It keeps jumping around as soon as I put anything in cursive. Maybe it's just me? Anyways, huge annoyance -- definitely did not happen in the old editor.

Also, I noticed Help Wanted is the only forum not linked to on the frontpage header -- deliberate or did you just ran out of space?

EDIT: Oh, I see. None of the "community interaction" forums are listed there. Well, that explains a bit.
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#72 Gaiiden   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 5160

Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:10 PM

Don't worry Gaiiden, I get what you're saying -- we can't rely on GD staff fixing stuff that isn't really custom to the site. Got it. Posted Image

Well, while we are on the subject of complaining -- I hate the text editor. It keeps jumping around as soon as I put anything in cursive. Maybe it's just me? Anyways, huge annoyance -- definitely did not happen in the old editor.


I can't tell if you were being sarcastic here or not based off my seemingly abrasive response to SiCrane but if you're serious about the text editor issue I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "cursive". And what is "it"? The text cursor?

Also, I noticed Help Wanted is the only forum not linked to on the frontpage header -- deliberate or did you just ran out of space?

EDIT: Oh, I see. None of the "community interaction" forums are listed there. Well, that explains a bit.


This was indeed deliberate. You'll notice the Affiliate subforums are also missing from the menus, however I have asked Mike to add NeHe and Angelcode to the Technical menu. We're unsure right now whether we'll be keeping up ties with Events for Gamers. In order to make up for "Community Interaction" forums having no real place in the menus, I've reshuffled the forum index to place them on top. They have no direct access because they are not considered "main" forums for the site. If the XNA workshop picks back up again I'd like to work in some direct access for that.

And to return to the specific Help Wanted issue, that forum will eventually be phased out to be replaced fully by the Classifieds system.

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#73 DarklyDreaming   Members   -  Reputation: 363

Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:34 PM


Don't worry Gaiiden, I get what you're saying -- we can't rely on GD staff fixing stuff that isn't really custom to the site. Got it. Posted Image

Well, while we are on the subject of complaining -- I hate the text editor. It keeps jumping around as soon as I put anything in cursive. Maybe it's just me? Anyways, huge annoyance -- definitely did not happen in the old editor.


I can't tell if you were being sarcastic here or not based off my seemingly abrasive response to SiCrane but if you're serious about the text editor issue I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "cursive". And what is "it"? The text cursor?

Italics. Sorry, forgot where I was for a moment there. Posted Image

The text cursor, yes. It jumps around if you put anything in italics, write some words without italics, and then backspace. No clue as to why or if this is just me -- but this is the second IP board that does it.


Also, I noticed Help Wanted is the only forum not linked to on the frontpage header -- deliberate or did you just ran out of space?

EDIT: Oh, I see. None of the "community interaction" forums are listed there. Well, that explains a bit.


This was indeed deliberate. You'll notice the Affiliate subforums are also missing from the menus, however I have asked Mike to add NeHe and Angelcode to the Technical menu. We're unsure right now whether we'll be keeping up ties with Events for Gamers. In order to make up for "Community Interaction" forums having no real place in the menus, I've reshuffled the forum index to place them on top. They have no direct access because they are not considered "main" forums for the site. If the XNA workshop picks back up again I'd like to work in some direct access for that.

And to return to the specific Help Wanted issue, that forum will eventually be phased out to be replaced fully by the Classifieds system.

Good to know. Help Wanted is still a cluttered mess as-is, but that was always the case, so it's nice to hear that the Classifieds system is taking over. As to the workshops, they used to be great -- but they sort of died a slow quiet death until no-one took notice anymore. Maybe someday there'll be more of them and, hopefully, they'll actually finish. Posted Image
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~ Bregma

"Well, you're not alone.

There's a club for people like that. It's called Everybody and we meet at the bar."

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#74 Gaiiden   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 5160

Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:51 PM

The text cursor, yes. It jumps around if you put anything in italics, write some words without italics, and then backspace. No clue as to why or if this is just me -- but this is the second IP board that does it.


yes I know what you're talking about, but actually for me, here on this site the cursor actually behaves pretty well. Elsewhere, like when I edit my Wordpress blog, I sometimes can't even tell exactly where the cursor is most of the time. I've noticed this annoyance all over the place since FF7 or so. I think it's a Flash thing? Have you noticed your text cursor hopping around on other websites or just here on GDNet? It drives me bonkers wherever it happens.

As to the workshops, they used to be great -- but they sort of died a slow quiet death until no-one took notice anymore. Maybe someday there'll be more of them and, hopefully, they'll actually finish. Posted Image


It was indeed unfortunate JWalsh had to suspend the current XNA workshop. He got a new job at Microsoft and has been adjusting these last few months. He keeps saying he wants to pick it back up again and now that you remind me I'm due to give him another poke about it....

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#75 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4688

Posted 05 January 2012 - 08:38 AM

Can the info about the thread: Started by, Forum Name be highlighted some other color than gray. It's hard to see. Plus I liked it when the that information was more in tablular format. Such as: Thread Name, Forum, Last Post Date/Last Poster. Much easier to read.

I'm referring to the New Content page, by the way.
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#76 rip-off   Moderators   -  Reputation: 8210

Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:38 AM

I agree with SiCrane about the thread pages.

Also, didn't we have https at one stage (if maybe briefly)? It doesn't seem to work anymore...

#77 Aardvajk   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 5979

Posted 05 January 2012 - 02:06 PM

All looking pretty good to me. Good to see comments viewable in journals on the mobile site now, good job.

One minor thing - on the mobile version I can't seem to see "My content"? It's not in the funky little grid menu thingy that I can pop up. Is this deliberate?

#78 DarklyDreaming   Members   -  Reputation: 363

Posted 05 January 2012 - 02:16 PM


The text cursor, yes. It jumps around if you put anything in italics, write some words without italics, and then backspace. No clue as to why or if this is just me -- but this is the second IP board that does it.


yes I know what you're talking about, but actually for me, here on this site the cursor actually behaves pretty well. Elsewhere, like when I edit my Wordpress blog, I sometimes can't even tell exactly where the cursor is most of the time. I've noticed this annoyance all over the place since FF7 or so. I think it's a Flash thing? Have you noticed your text cursor hopping around on other websites or just here on GDNet? It drives me bonkers wherever it happens.

Just here on GD.net and another IP board -- think it's something with their newer version of the text editor. Wordpress does it too, but that seems to be completely out of whack (half the time it seems to just do whatever it pleases and jumps at random). As far as I can tell, here it mostly only happens if I use italics, and only if I try to edit text after using them -- so I guess I'll be fine if I avoid them and type a bit slower. Posted Image


As to the workshops, they used to be great -- but they sort of died a slow quiet death until no-one took notice anymore. Maybe someday there'll be more of them and, hopefully, they'll actually finish. Posted Image


It was indeed unfortunate JWalsh had to suspend the current XNA workshop. He got a new job at Microsoft and has been adjusting these last few months. He keeps saying he wants to pick it back up again and now that you remind me I'm due to give him another poke about it....

Sounds like a great idea, my only concern would that most of the participants just aren't there anymore. Make sure to post an announcement somewhere visible if JWalsh decides to pick it up as there are probably quite a few who just gave up on it after the posts stopped coming.
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~ Cavil, BSG.
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There's a club for people like that. It's called Everybody and we meet at the bar."

~ Antheus


#79 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4688

Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:35 PM

I see that Servant of the Lord is a Marketplace Seller (congrats by the way), however, I wanted to see what he has in the Marketplace and clicked on the title. To my dismay, nothing happened. It was just text. Is there anyway, for the title to be a link and go to the Marketplace and show the software he's selling? Or have some functionality similar to that near his name/avatar?
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#80 Michael Tanczos   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 5206

Posted 05 January 2012 - 08:25 PM

I see that Servant of the Lord is a Marketplace Seller (congrats by the way), however, I wanted to see what he has in the Marketplace and clicked on the title. To my dismay, nothing happened. It was just text. Is there anyway, for the title to be a link and go to the Marketplace and show the software he's selling? Or have some functionality similar to that near his name/avatar?


Hrmm.. I'm not sure how we'd pull that off to be honest. Right now it's just the group name he is in and it doesn't necessarily have a relationship with any particular spot on the site. I'd have to think about how I'd pull this off.




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