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Why are most 2D games more pixel than raster/vector?


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#1 andrechan   Members   -  Reputation: 105

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:48 AM

I've been toying around with making a game, and im moving on to implementing my own art into the game.(a 2d game, btw)
But I've been stopped on my tracks, coz I dont really know how to approach making sprites, in general.

So as a noob spriter, I noticed that most games, even the more mainsteam ones like Guilty Gear and Blazblu are using pixels not rasters.
Is there something about rasters that is hard to manipulate or what?

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#2 sunandshadow   Moderators   -  Reputation: 4560

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:55 AM

IMO it's because pixel programs are more similar to painting and drawing, and they also have more name recognition/market share. The majority of 2D artists are introduced to a pixel program first and probably use it for years before ever being exposed to a vector program. There are also some stylistic things that are very hard to do with vector. Both are hard to sprite with because most of the programs available include little or no animation support; the animation specialized ones tend to be crappy for producing the art in.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 02:42 PM

For what it's worth, raster graphics are pixels. I think you mean "why are they using pixels/raster graphics instead of vector graphics?"

I don't know if you're talking about using vector graphics for the creation of the game's art, or if you're talking about using vector graphics to render the game's art, which are two different things. Some games will create their assets using vector graphics, but then rasterize them and export pixels/bitmaps to be used when rendering in the game.

As far as I know, one of the main reasons vector graphics aren't used in the rendering stage is because that's not how your computer works. Your screen is just a large raster. It's easier (and faster) to take one raster (your pixelated bitmap sprite) and copy it to another raster (the screen) than it is to take a set of vector graphics (your vectorized sprites) and then rasterize them to the screen. OpenGL/D3D work with rasters and not vectors when it comes to textures. It's easier to work with the tools you have (OpenGL/D3D, which also give hardware acceleration) than it is to reinvent them (i.e. implement vector graphics rendering for a real-time game).
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#4 Sik_the_hedgehog   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1483

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 08:52 PM

Actually, many 2D games use vector graphics (including pretty much most Flash games or games where the art was made using Flash).

But I'm going to add another point to the ones already mentioned: originally raster was pretty much the only way to go for a lot of time, and 2D games were made for that. So as you can imagine there's some inertia carrying from those times, with 2D artists having been mainly trained for raster graphics instead of vector graphics.

The biggest problem with bitmaps is that they don't scale up with larger resolutions (the "pixels" start getting large), and large bitmaps can easily take up lots of memory. If I was to make a 2D game, I'd go with bitmaps if the game only runs at a low resolution, and vector graphics if it can be run at higher resolutions.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 03:19 AM

Alright I understood all points completely.
As a followup question to the topic though...
Why do most pixel artist prefer not to use photoshop for pixel drawings?

And can anyone recommend good pixel art tools? I currently use Graphics gale.

#6 sunandshadow   Moderators   -  Reputation: 4560

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 10:19 AM

Photoshop is hugely expensive, other than that people love it, as far as I've seen. Gimp and Paint Tool Sai are the two other commonly used pixel programs, from the amount I've heard other people discussing them. I'm a vector artist myself, I mainly use Inkscape because it's free software.
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 08:01 AM

And can anyone recommend good pixel art tools? I currently use Graphics gale.

Personally when it comes to pixelart I have yet to find any tool that's better than GraphicsGale. I have tried several times but I couldn't, period (regardless of the license, even!). It seems almost all drawing programs focus in either Photoshop-style editing or vector graphics, and the few drawing tools made for pixelart I could find simply feel like a joke in comparison to GraphicsGale (especially when it comes to manipulating the palette).
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 02:44 PM

Photoshop is awesome for general photo editing or rasterized drawing, however its main purpose is high-quality, high-resolution images. It's not really meant for pixelated* or 8/16bit sprites. I've never tried Graphics Gale, but I've never liked Photoshop or Gimp for making pixelated* or 8/16bit sprites.

*By pixelated I mean images with large pixels, not general raster graphics.
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#9 canyouseeitnow   Members   -  Reputation: 108

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 03:06 PM

Sprite based is just a whole lot programing than Vector based. Vector is pretty much the same thing as 3d except with one less plane. Vector is caculated, caculated is programming, programming is just a different way to work and a lot of it is isn't built into game engines. Pixel is just a lot easier to animate and import into your game engine.

Otherwise, Photoshop is overkill for dealing with 8bit-16bit sprites anyways. When you're spriting, you're dealing with pixel level editing, so all you really need is the Pen tool.




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