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#1 YodamanJer   Members   -  Reputation: 445

Posted 03 June 2012 - 08:30 AM

Most reviews I find are in favor of this keyboard, but since it's over $50 I really want all of the opinions I can get before I just buy it on a whim.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Illuminated-Ultrathin-Keyboard-Backlighting/dp/B001F51G16

I love the sleek, simple look of this keyboard. It's not overly flashy and I love the built-in palm rest. My local Staples has this for the same price so I might go pick it up later, but what do fellow programmers think? Anyone here using it that could provide some feedback?

My only complaint is that I wish there was a blue version. :P

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#2 samoth   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4718

Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:58 AM

I own this one (as well as one of each generation of the fat-ass Logitech "G" series keyboards). This one here doesn't have toys or a LED screen, but it is by far the best keyboard I've ever had, from any manufacturer, in any price range.

#3 YodamanJer   Members   -  Reputation: 445

Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:53 AM

Thanks! Can you confirm the issue of "phantom key blocking" that this review talks about? Other than that small issue (don't all keyboards have that anyway?), it sounds absolutely perfect. Never been more tempted to just go out and buy a keyboard like this.

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#4 Koobazaur   Members   -  Reputation: 691

Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:53 AM

Personally, I think 70 bucks for a damn keyboard is overkill. I hate gimmicks like "LED displays" or 'backlights" - when was the last time you actually looked down at your keyboard while coding/gaming/writing/doing anything on the computer?

Honestly I'd say, go for one of the cheap (but good) ones you can get for like 7 bucks off of newegg, and save the extra cash for something that warrants it (new RAM, better HDD, fourty boxes of cereal, bigger monitor, nice speakers etc.)

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#5 jamby   Members   -  Reputation: 147

Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:19 AM

Personally, I think 70 bucks for a damn keyboard is overkill. I hate gimmicks like "LED displays" or 'backlights"


Never understood those gimmicks, like LCD keys. Keyboard tech specs should not have to say things like "viewing angle of 160 degrees".

#6 YodamanJer   Members   -  Reputation: 445

Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:27 AM

I hate gimmicks like "LED displays" or 'backlights" - when was the last time you actually looked down at your keyboard while coding/gaming/writing/doing anything on the computer?


Well, in the dark it's nice to be able to tell where certain keys are. In the daytime I probably wouldn't look down on my keyboard too much, but generally when it comes to typing at night (especially when programming), I will look down at the keyboard just to make sure I'm hitting the right keys. Otherwise I might type "dudrwn/piy/otomy" instead of "system.out.print". This only happens at night though. Posted Image

Plus, having a backlit keyboard is just cooler and much more attractive.

EDIT: I should mention that while I'm looking at the screen while typing, sometimes I type so fast that even when I type a full of line of code wrong it'll take me a second to register it visually. I get lots of syntax errors from that, but luckily NetBeans lets me know before I compile. :P

Edited by CoffeeCoder, 03 June 2012 - 11:29 AM.

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#7 fastcall22   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4293

Posted 03 June 2012 - 11:53 AM

Gross; the insert key is missing. I'd refuse to spend my money on keyboards that assume I mean to press "delete" instead of "insert": I'm not typing a !@#$ing Word document; I'm formatting a !@#$ing text file.

I just hate having to numlock, numpad 0, numlock on keyboards that don't have insert (and don't have/won't allow me to install keyboard remaps).
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#8 YodamanJer   Members   -  Reputation: 445

Posted 03 June 2012 - 12:03 PM

Didn't even notice the thing about the Insert key. I kind of rely on that as a programmer. :\

Hmm, maybe this is a no then after all. Seriously, why would you design a keyboard without that important key?!

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#9 samoth   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4718

Posted 03 June 2012 - 12:29 PM

Thanks! Can you confirm the issue of "phantom key blocking" that this review talks about? Other than that small issue (don't all keyboards have that anyway?), it sounds absolutely perfect. Never been more tempted to just go out and buy a keyboard like this.

That's in my opinion more of a PEBKAC than a real issue of this (or another) keyboard. A "normal" matrix keyboard where not every key is singly wired (such as e.g. in the "G" series keyboards) necessarily has "phantom keys" when 3 or more keys are pressed at a time (not necessarily in all combinations, but in some at least). Some keyboards suppress the 3rd or 4th key to remove this artefact, some just produce a phantom key on top. The more difficult wiring is one reason why "gaming keyboards" are even more expensive.

I'm using this keyboard as a keyboard, not as a game controller (that's where I think the PEBKAC lies with the people giving a negative review). For the purpose of being a keyboard, the Illuminated Keyboard works absolutely perfectly well. I don't see any issues (note the word "don't", q.e.d.) when typing on it all day. Of course as a "gaming keyboard" it might be less suited, I wouldn't know. I would rather put money into a more expensive keyboard with quality keys than pay the same (or more) for a "gamer keyboard" which has expensive wiring that I don't use.

Personally, I think 70 bucks for a damn keyboard is overkill.

That's probably right, but if you don't mind paying a few more bucks for something aestehtically pleasing, this one is really nice. It's kind of a "minimum set of gimmick", too. The backlight helps a lot actually finding the keyboard in a dimly lit room at night, too (not like you need to look at it while typing anyway).
The gimmicks that come with the "G" keyboards are totally useless, agreed. In fact, the macro keys are placed unfavourably enough to accidentially trigger one every now and then when aiming for the left shift key. Though I still like having one for experimenting with and for "have seen, have touched".
It's somehow like the 3DConnexion SpaceNavigator or the touch functionality in my Wacom. Never had something equally useless in my life. But I wouldn't know had I not tried... Posted Image

About the insert key, this is kind of weird, admittedly, but I actually find it good. The delete key is "twice normal size" and the insert key is "somewhat out of the way". The effect is that accidentially hitting the insert key (and switching to overwrite mode) doesn't happen. It's something that bugs me big time normally (2-3 times per day), and just doesn't happen at all with this keyboard.

Edited by samoth, 03 June 2012 - 12:32 PM.


#10 YodamanJer   Members   -  Reputation: 445

Posted 03 June 2012 - 01:31 PM

Regardless of the Insert key issue, I think I'm still going to be purchasing this keyboard. It's the best I can find in this price range and I trust Logitech (every peripheral I've had from them has lasted years and years, especially their mice). Thank you all for your input! :)

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#11 zedz   Members   -  Reputation: 291

Posted 03 June 2012 - 07:11 PM

looks nice, can you swap keys around?
Ive recently gone over to the dark side (mac) whilst most things I prefer the windows way one thing the mac is superior is instead of ctrl they use (in windows parlance) alt key for most shortcuts
i.e. ctrl-c ctrl-v becomes alt-c alt-v
minor thing but wow huge difference in use. using alt is far superior

Of course you can just use a keyboard mapping software

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 07:16 PM

It looks like the function keys may be function keys as their secondary purpose and default to being (programmable?) multimedia keys. Having used (and been annoyed by) Microsoft keyboards that override the standard function keys with media keys by default it may be worth investigating - hitting F2 to rename a file and have it Undo instead is somewhat annoying (I haven't found any information on how the Logitech keyboard implements these keys).
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#13 way2lazy2care   Members   -  Reputation: 782

Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:25 PM

Personally, I think 70 bucks for a damn keyboard is overkill. I hate gimmicks like "LED displays" or 'backlights" - when was the last time you actually looked down at your keyboard while coding/gaming/writing/doing anything on the computer?

Honestly I'd say, go for one of the cheap (but good) ones you can get for like 7 bucks off of newegg, and save the extra cash for something that warrants it (new RAM, better HDD, fourty boxes of cereal, bigger monitor, nice speakers etc.)


Honestly, you probably use your keyboard more frequently than most of the features of your computer. Having a comfortable quality keyboard does have an impact, despite cheap keyboards being totally usable. I'd agree that gimmicks usually aren't worth the extra price, but there's plenty of features in nicer keyboards that are totally worth paying a premium.

#14 Mihai Moldovan   Members   -  Reputation: 127

Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:14 AM

I found this one to be fairly nice for the price: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Natural-Ergonomic-Keyboard-4000/dp/tech-data/B000A6PPOK

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 07:12 AM

I'm still rocking my Logitech keyboard from 2006. Never had a single problem with it and it still operates just fine, though I have worn off a few letters :) I don't see it crapping out on me anytime soon either. They are certainly built to last

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#16 demonkoryu   Members   -  Reputation: 976

Posted 04 June 2012 - 07:26 AM

I think nothing beats Model M keyboards. Logitech, Microsoft etc. keyboards are nice, but Model M ist the real thing. It's like finally getting your lightsaber.

#17 Dragonsoulj   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2098

Posted 04 June 2012 - 07:28 AM

I'll stick with my Lycosa Razer keyboard. $10 more than what you are looking at, but I enjoy it. Plus, BestBuy has it, so I didn't have to order it. [link]

EDIT: Not sure if you use it, but should you ever need your menu key (opens the right click menu), I don't see it on there.

EDIT2: Misread price. :P But still.

Edited by Dragonsoulj, 04 June 2012 - 07:30 AM.


#18 irreversible   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1316

Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:26 AM

Is there any reason I shouldn't purchase this Logitech keyboard?


To me it's missing the most important thing: a large Enter key. I genuinely hate the small Enter key, which causes me to constantly hit Shift, especially since I'm in the habit of using 2 fingers to somewhat lazily lob at the return key.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 04:48 AM

I use a G15 (v2) and a G19. For my next computer, I'll surely get their then-coolest keyboard as well. They are really high quality and the gimmicks are surprisingly useful. The lcd display is great for displaying 'background' stuff such as time, cpu/ram usage, bandwidth usage etc. I use it alot while programming to monitor my apps and games behaviours. The macro keys can be extremely annoying the first few days since you keep pressing them instead of Ctrl, Tab and Esc, but once you get used to them being there, you can do lots of useful stuff with them.

I've used macro keys extensively while programming to rewrite seveal lines in a very similar way (stuff like reverse assignments). I also have keys to lock my cursor to my main display and to release such locks, to pause and resume the currently debugged app/game (using thread suspend/resume) as well as kill it, to bring up a color picker (show argb, html hex, as 3d vector, ..) and so on.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:03 AM


Is there any reason I shouldn't purchase this Logitech keyboard?


To me it's missing the most important thing: a large Enter key. I genuinely hate the small Enter key, which causes me to constantly hit Shift, especially since I'm in the habit of using 2 fingers to somewhat lazily lob at the return key.

That's down to the individual keyboard layout - US keyboards have a small Enter key, UK keyboards have a large one, and other nationalities tend to use one of the two (last time I checked slightly more used the large key). The only time this should become a problem is if a US company does a lazy job of creating international versions of its products - Apple are notable offenders when it comes to dodgy UK keyboards.
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