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[achild]

I didn't see anything when searching the site, so I just thought to mention my new discovery that Visual Studio 2012 Express (specifically c++) seems to support desktop projects (but we already knew that) as well as 64-bit compilation out of the box without any legal uncertainties (this I didn't know). And it runs on Windows 7. So I think I will finally upgrade from VS 2008! I'm very happy about this!

I wonder does anyone know if it will support openmp in express versions?

Anyway this is happy news!

Edited by achild, 28 September 2012 - 12:07 PM.

[Ripiz]

Why you weren't using VS 2010?

OpenMP is quite advanced feature, I wouldn't put up too much hopes it would be free.

Afterall, VS 2010 Express did NOT have button "Open Solution Folder", you had to navigate manually in the Explorer, seriously Microsoft?

Edited by Ripiz, 28 September 2012 - 12:31 PM.

[DishSoap]

I just downloaded it today actually, it seems quite nice. The overall aesthetic seems more appealing, and the intellisense is a big improvement as well!

[Alpha_ProgDes]

Is anyone doing Metro apps with it?

[Dunge]

Afterall, VS 2010 Express did NOT have button "Open Solution Folder", you had to navigate manually in the Explorer, seriously Microsoft?

Don't know about the express edition, but I'm using VS2010 Pro here and it's available on the right click menu on the solution.

[achild]

Is anyone doing Metro apps with it?

No experience with it here, but I am pretty interested in making at least a couple basic games just for fun. I too wonder does anyone have any input on how intuitive the process and learning curve is.

Edited by achild, 28 September 2012 - 02:29 PM.

[tanzanite7]

... And it runs on Windows 7 ...

Wait ... i have not payed much attention, so please someone enlighten me ... is XP disallowed/unsupported? If so, will it stay so?

[wack]

... And it runs on Windows 7 ...

Wait ... i have not payed much attention, so please someone enlighten me ... is XP disallowed/unsupported? If so, will it stay so?

The system requirements page states that windows 7 or windows 8 are supported.

By the way, I'm tempted to install this on my home laptop, but I have to ask you guys who tried it... On this laptop, VS2010 sometimes behaves very sluggish. Does 2012 seem to have fixed some performance issues, or are there even more performance issues now?

[EddieV223]

There are seperate express editions for metro and desktop so get the right one for your platform.

Also, express editions now come with static code analysis, basic rule set. This is a really nice feature.

express editions can open solutions made by the paid for editions, and can open setting's file's too.

I am not sure about this one, but it seems like express will allow you to use addons as well.

... And it runs on Windows 7 ...

Wait ... i have not payed much attention, so please someone enlighten me ... is XP disallowed/unsupported? If so, will it stay so?

The system requirements page states that windows 7 or windows 8 are supported.

By the way, I'm tempted to install this on my home laptop, but I have to ask you guys who tried it... On this laptop, VS2010 sometimes behaves very sluggish. Does 2012 seem to have fixed some performance issues, or are there even more performance issues now?

It isn't any slower for sure.

[Xanather]

Hmm i would move to VS2012 if they simply integrate XNA 4.0 with it (which is clearly possible).

[Ryan_001]

In the software license terms it states:

Trial Edition. The initial installation of the software is a trial edition. You may convert your trial rights at any time by obtaining a product key from Microsoft. The trial software will present conversion options to you thirty (30) days after you install the trial software. After the expiration of the 30-day trial period, without conversion, the trial software will stop running.

Does that mean that express edition is merely a trial edition now? Or am I misreading something?

edit: nm, it says on another page:

After installation, you can try this product for up to 30 days. You must register to obtain a free product key for ongoing use after 30 days.

So it looks like its still free and just requires registration.

Edited by Ryan_001, 30 September 2012 - 01:44 AM.

[jbadams]

So it looks like its still free and just requires registration.

That's correct, and in-line with how previous express editions have been released; you need to register the software after 30 days, but it's free of charge and can be used for commercial usage.

[MrDaaark]

Just be sure to register them as soon as possible and don't wait until the last minute, when all the VS Express registration servers have been down for a week, and they tell you after e-mailing them that no one even noticed!

Would be fun to make a Metro style tablet app, but Win 8 tablets seem uber expensive, and I doubt anyone other than early adopters even cares.

Edited by Daaark, 30 September 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[Cornstalks]

I'm just in the process of downloading VS2012 Ultimate, I'll post back with my overall first impressions. I know, it's not the Express edition, but hey, somebody's gotta report on the full edition.

I'm also downloading the final build (RTM) of Windows 8 Professional 64-bit, so I'll install both and let ya'll know how they work together. [edit: Putting Windows 8 on my MacBook Pro was a mistake... the touchpad stopped working, and re-installing Boot Camp now makes the OS randomly freeze after a few minutes of use... Now I get the joy of using my fall break to work out the issues]

Edited by Cornstalks, 01 October 2012 - 08:06 AM.

[tom_mai78101]

This speaks volumes with my initial impression.

[Alpha_ProgDes]

This speaks volumes with my initial impression.

So you think it's slick and easy-to-use....?

[tom_mai78101]

No... It's just my first time seeing the Metro interface and how it looks.

[brx]

I really like VS2012 (using the professional edition) and I really like that the express edition can finally compile 64Bit applications out of the box (although it wasn't hard to set up in VS2010 either: install SDK -> chose it in the project's properties as the platform tools -> done).

What is really a problem is that (until now) applications compiled with VS2012 do not run on WinXP! Yes... WinXP is old and should not be supported anymore. I agree with that. BUT! As a developer of "professional" software (CAD/CFD software in my case) with many customers in Asia (China, Korea) I just have to live with the fact that a very big percentage of my customers use WinXP. So I have to wait for the promised upgrade: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2012/06/15/10320645.aspx. I just hope it comes before our next release...

[MrDaaark]

No... It's just my first time seeing the Metro interface and how it looks.

You are being very vague. Does it speak good or bad volumes, and what is your initial impression?

[tom_mai78101]

No... It's just my first time seeing the Metro interface and how it looks.

You are being very vague. Does it speak good or bad volumes, and what is your initial impression?

Simply slick. That's all.