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Improving AI of MMORPG Raids


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#21 IADaveMark   Moderators   -  Reputation: 2531

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:38 PM

And yet, as I pointed out in the GDC Austin lecture mentioned here earlier, there is a reason that people can play the same maps of Halo and TF2 all night. Because of the dynamic nature of the (human) opponents, it never plays the same way twice. There is a lot of value in that for people.

That said, there are plenty of people who like kicking pillows and thinking their bad asses for doing so.
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#22 bearlyconciou5   Members   -  Reputation: 101

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:56 PM

 


AI in raid encounters use 1 strategy once players find out how to counter it they post it online in a video everyone reads it and spends a few weeks practicing and then the boss is on farm status. There doesn't have to be a "Magic Method" of defeating a boss you've just been brainwashed into thinking that's how it should be.

To point out the obvious, the primary goal of a player who watches YouTube videos to find the "Magic Method" to defeat a boss and to farm it, is not a dynamic, challenging experience. They may want to experience the whole game in a short time period, to prove they can excel at something, or to generate money on eBay. Even back in the early console days, many games came with cheat codes, and it was up to the player whether to use them. Whatever best entertains each player. http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/smile.png
 

In this age of social media and the increasingly widespread realization of players that organization is the key to end-game play, rethinking the "canned" encounter in favor of emergent behaviors would seem to be the way to go.

There are no shortage of designers who have come to the realization that winning the 'content war' is cost-prohibitive.

#23 creeper   Members   -  Reputation: 132

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:52 PM

I was have been looking at a game that will be coming out this month  and after alot of the game mechanics were shown on the way too many trailers and interviews,  it was obvious that by randomizing game factors (plot scene order, weapon/powerup mixes, opponent spawn content, props to effect cover) they could vastly change/vary the players game experience. 

 

That would be good for replay (needed with the shortening play-thru times).    That would also be without require much/any  costly expansion (expense $$$) for additional  choreographed special scenes or flavors of opponents.  There are always plenty of generic situation in between  where simple combinatoric options could be applied).

 

But no, apparently nothing remotely like that is to be there, just the usual 'led by the nose'  fixed path and scene and opponents.



#24 wodinoneeye   Members   -  Reputation: 872

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:05 PM

Emergent behavior can be suprising and the game companies dont like spending alot of money on QA.  Tweaking coefficients and threshold values is alot simpler than requiring a programmer to fix balancing issues.

 

Procedural recombination of a scene is especially easy when all the candidate options are already vetted  : put object A at one of this list of possible precanned  locations.  Now the player has to shift where they stand for cover each play thru or what explodable object NOT to stand next to.


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