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#1 superman3275   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1988

Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:43 PM

So, I have been at my fathers house for the past few days. He recently got this computer (Which is what I've been posting / programming / Messing around on). I am thinking about getting one for myself, so I have a question: Do you believe this is a good computer?

 

It's cheap, runs great, Windows 8 has a great boot-up and is extremely smooth. Despite it's (somewhat) low processing speed, it's working great and I believe it will be great for programming on the go.

 

What do you think? What laptop would you recommend?

 

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#2 Cornstalks   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 6966

Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:05 AM

He recently got this computer [...]

That's a strange looking computer... I don't think it's a good one wink.png

 

I just bought an upgraded MacBook Pro with Retina Display*, and with its solid state drive, 16 GB DDR3 RAM, and quad-core i7, I can officially say it was totally overkill. It's important to get something you like (because you spend a lot of time with it), yes, but programming isn't the most intensive stuff you can do on a computer, so you really don't need a super machine to do that. However, if you plan on doing more than programming, it's worth deciding exactly what it is you plan on doing on your laptop and finding a good one that will let you do everything you plan on doing. This is where I'd link to Tom Sloper's article on decision grids, if I had it handy.

*I had to get a Mac to make iOS apps on, otherwise I would've gotten a Windows or Linux based laptop.


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#3 Prinz Eugn   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3528

Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:14 AM

I really want to buy this Lenovo since it's a better version of what I already have and like... and cheaper, too.


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#4 superman3275   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1988

Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:23 AM

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:22 AM

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#6 Ravyne   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 6779

Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:34 AM

Honestly, cheap 15.6" laptops are like a bad joke perpetrated on us by the computer industry. Slow CPUs, even slower spinning disks, and bottom-of-the-barrel, 1366x768 TN panels with poor contrast and poorer viewing angles, all in a too-bulky package that could be forgiven if it offered any feature at all that would justify the size and weight, but which they never do.

 

Besides that, Gateway isn't what you'd call a top-tier brand.

 

If you live near a good-sized city, you can probably find a 2-3 year old Lenovo on Craigslist that you'd be happier with, have same or better performance, nicer features, and better build quality.

 

Otherwise, unless that's absolutely all you can afford, my own feeling is that anything worth spending a few hundred dollars on to have is worth spending a few hundred more on to have exactly what you want.



#7 Shippou   Members   -  Reputation: 1366

Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:19 AM

1.8 Gh .... most modern programs WILL NOT run that good on that, however for a programming computer, it'll work just fine.

I personally do not like Gateways, they end up having quite a few hardware problems right after the warranty expires... maybe you'll have better luck.

Edit: Walmart has similar laptops for $250 +- USD http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=laptop&_refineresult=true&search_constraint=0&ic=16_0&search_sort=4&cat_id=3944_3951

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:40 AM

Buy a netbook. Then you'll start to appreciate how fast everything else is! lol


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#9 CJ_COIMBRA   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 770

Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:19 AM

Any decent brand with at least an i5 is good enough for most tasks.



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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:42 AM

I can tell you that VS express for windows phone won't run on anything except Windows 8 64 bit, which I am not at all a fan of as it made both my laptops shitbricks as far as windows phone development goes. Make sure to check the requirements for what you want to do is the moral of that story I guess. Just because the hardware should work doesn't necessarily mean the software will let you :P



#11 Krohm   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2975

Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:32 AM

Honestly, cheap 15.6" laptops are like a bad joke perpetrated on us by the computer industry

100% agreed. I've only bought a laptop so far (i3-330M based) and I cannot stress how much it sucks! I also had an atom 270, with worn-out SSD. It was flat out painful but at least it was something portable. Actually, I was positively impressed by the form factor, too bad it didn't cut it in the market.

 

I don't know how anyone here can support the idea of getting Intel graphics. Oh well, I finally got the chance to see HD4000 around here... it was about time!



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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:28 AM

100% agreed. I've only bought a laptop so far (i3-330M based) and I cannot stress how much it sucks! I also had an atom 270, with worn-out SSD. It was flat out painful but at least it was something portable. Actually, I was positively impressed by the form factor, too bad it didn't cut it in the market.
 
I don't know how anyone here can support the idea of getting Intel graphics. Oh well, I finally got the chance to see HD4000 around here... it was about time!

You should see my mother - she keeps buying those underpowered Atom notebooks, I swear they literally have trouble playing back a webradio. But they're cheap, right? rolleyes.gif

 

As for Intel graphics, I agree completely. I still remember the days when I would need to heavily tweak even the least demanding game just to get a playable framerate on lowest settings. I came *that* close to getting one of those Clevo gaming laptops as a definitive remedy to my Intel GMA torment (ultimately opted for a desktop, though). But I will certainly never buy a DELL/Acer/etc laptop again for development or personal use. It just sucks.


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#13 Shippou   Members   -  Reputation: 1366

Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

I'm running an Intel 512 ( Dell N5010 ) ... displays bluray movies in HD .... and can handle games like Skyrim just fine ... you can not judge the new generation of laptop cards, based off of the old gen performance.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:20 AM

How about a Microsoft Surface Pro?


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#15 way2lazy2care   Members   -  Reputation: 782

Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:51 AM

On Intel, I do wish they did a better job of separating their processors. i3/i5/i7 seems alright, but then you realize there are like 10 different i5s and i7s in the ivybridge line, and some perform drastically differently. I understand they want to kind of cover up the number of choices and give the user an expected performance range, but the worst i5 I think has like half the power of the best i5, which makes it seem ridiculous that they are grouped together under 'i5'.


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#16 Servant of the Lord   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 17281

Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

The whole processor thing confuses me. I received a laptop recently with a single "Intel Core i7-2677M Processor 1.8GHz", and shrugged my shoulder in disdane* because my 5 year-old desktop has a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ 2.4Ghz   (Not incredible either, but the i7 has worse "numbers" to my non-hardware eyes).

 

Is a single Intel 1.8GHz i7 greater than a dual core 2.4GHz AMD processor?

 

*Not really, free is free, and I'm hoping to sell it. It's actually a pretty good laptop with a SSD and everything, but I'm a desktop user.


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#17 zedz   Members   -  Reputation: 291

Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:52 PM

Is a single Intel 1.8GHz i7 greater than a dual core 2.4GHz AMD processor?

http://browser.primatelabs.com/

will give a rough idea



#18 mdwh   Members   -  Reputation: 827

Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:35 AM

It's hard to fault it for the price - all the better things that people have posted about would cost more AFAIK.

If you were willing to spend more, the single best thing to improve how fast a computer feels (IMO) is an SSD. But that would make a significant increase in cost on a low computer.

You should see my mother - she keeps buying those underpowered Atom notebooks, I swear they literally have trouble playing back a webradio. But they're cheap, right?

They have their uses, specifically longer battery life, and not everyone cares about having high end CPU power, instead preferring portability (same as with ARM devices). Though if it can't even play webradio, that's a problem with that particular model. My Atom Samsung N220 has no trouble playing full screen video.

 

Personally I have a Clevo as my main machine, and the Samsung ultra-portable for when I'm travelling (even if I got a more powerful ultra-portable, it wouldn't be good enough for things like gaming - they all still have crappy Intel integrated graphics - so there's little point). Looking at the upcoming Windows hybrids, it's a similar situation: ARM is out for me because I want x86 full Windows (and ARM wouldn't be as powerful as Intel Core either anyway), and whilst I'd gladly spend more money on an Intel Core model, the battery life on the Atom Clover Trail models seems to be better.

Though, if your mother had some Atom based laptop that wasn't an ultra-portable (I see there are even desktop models), then yes that does seem more strange.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:21 AM

Is a single Intel 1.8GHz i7 greater than a dual core 2.4GHz AMD processor?

Actually, an i7 will always have multiple cores (i.e. at least two like the Intel Core i7-2677M). I assume that they do not specifically mention it in the description you read is, that at least two cores is absolutely standard today (it's damn near impossible to get actual single core CPUs today. Hell, even mobile phones have up to five cores these days...[seen in the HTC One X, maybe newer phones have even more]).

 

I don't know how the one you mentioned compares to your current AMD CPU, though, but I think that has already been covered by the links posted by zedz and mdwh.



#20 Servant of the Lord   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 17281

Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

You're right, apparently it has two cores. The i7 is better, according to the CPUBenchmark.net site, which makes sense since that specific i7 was released only last year, and the AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ was released at least 5 years ago (though the benchmark site incorrectly says three years ago, mine came in the 5 year old computer I use).


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