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#1 KingNothing33   Members   -  Reputation: 128

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:08 AM

Alright, so I'm wanting to bring about a project with a couple of my friends, i'm the lead design guy practically. I'm wondering what makes certain games great?

 

MMOs? I've played 5 or 6, most have an "Area storyline" to follow, Leveling is extensive and a good amount is dealing with Multiplayer, wiether its PvE or PvP

 

RPGs? I've played like 13-16, and a good portion of modern games are getting parts of the RPG formula.

 

TPA(Third Person Action) I've played a couple, and I do not mean third person shooters, what I mean is; Assassin's Creed, God of War, Darksiders, etc. I don't know the actual genre to these sort of games.

 

FPS, From Call of Duty and Battlefield to Bioshock and Half-life. What makes them great?

 

RTS, Warcraft 3 to Tower Defenses. what makes an RTS so great to play?

 

Puzzle/Platformer; Mario, Kirby, Most nintendo games, or Portal and some Popcap games (Peggle, Zuma, etc.) what makes you think?

 

Fighter; from Party fighters like SSB(Super Smash Bros.) and Playstation Allstars battle royale to Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat..?

 

 

 

I'm planning to make a whole bunch of GameMaker or Unity3d games before I get into college,

And I've been wondering what makes these games so great? Is there a basic Template to this sorta thing? (from Level Design to UI Design.)

 

I do not plan on starting until February.

 

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#2 Mratthew   Members   -  Reputation: 1551

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

High production quality ;D

 

I don't think there's a snake oil that makes these genres fun. The design focus I think shows real promise is picking a few staples from that genre (things you don't think you could live without when playing that genre) and really polishing them then bring something of your own interests to the table. For example I love RTS games but I'm currently attempting a TPA so I made my win condition that explores strategic gameplay to achieve it. Not to say that this is the way to design, its just the path I'm taking.

 

But no matter what you'll need to stand on the shoulders of giants to be big and the game will need a part of you, to call the game "yours".



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

then bring something of your own interests to the table.

 

In my experience, unless your a big dog, don't fight with them.  What ever game genre you want, you you pick something that the game giants haven't done, or something that isn't common or done well.  Select a few things like that.  These are your advertising points.  You focus on what players of a genre owned by Blizzard or EA Sports, don't have available.  This is how you'll get players interested.  Certainly you'll need some standard things, but I don't recommend it as a focus.  Make sure that what you are trying to capture people's attention with is where you shine above the major game.  

 

Perhaps you want a 3D shooter, after considering ideas, perhaps you come up with morphing, like you are a spy with some advanced shape shifting technology.  While the game should still obviously be a shooter, your focus is the morphing.  make that the best part of the game.  You don't want other parts to be annoying, but I would say the big reason for switching games in the same genre is the feature differences, and how well the new features are done.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:29 PM

First off, here's a pretty good video talking about what makes video games fun. It's well worth a viewing.

 

Additionally, consider how many games there are out there that were built by very small indie teams and succeeded: FTL, Minecraft, Penumbra, Super Meat Boy, Braid, Fez...the list goes on. You don't need AAA funding behind you; indeed, the argument can be made that AAA funding might hold you back in a lot of ways.


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#5 Deallo   Members   -  Reputation: 171

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~hunicke/MDA.pdf

 

Personally, I recommend the MDA (Mechanics, Dynamics, Aesthetics) approach and looking at the 8 Aesthetics( Main Reasons why people play games):

 

 

1. Sensation
  Game as sense-pleasure  (Hearing/music - Catherine, Sight/art - El Shaddai )
2. Fantasy 
as make-believe (Soldier - Call of Duty, Spy - Splinter Cell, Mage/Warrior/Rogue - Skyrim, etc, etc)
3. Narrative 
   Game as drama (For the story, Most J-RPG's, Spec Ops: The Line, etc)
4. Challenge
  Game as obstacle course (Super Meat Boy, Demons Souls, Any game that's hard)
5. Fellowship
  Game as social framework (Teamwork with other people. Horde on Gears of War, Co-op mode on any game, etc)
6. Discovery
  Game as uncharted territory (Wandering around Skyrim, Fallout 3, Sandbox games)
7. Expression
  Game as self-discovery (Allow's a person to express themselves. Through choices, in-game creation - minecraft, music creation in Mabinogi, etc)
8. Submission
  Game as pastime (To lose oneself in, mindless past-time. Pokemon, Final Fantasy, etc)
 
Personally, I have one more: 
 
9. Competition
Game as competition (Multiplayer in Call of Duty)
 
These are the reasons people play games.
 
Most games have at least three aesthetics. Although some games have fragments of other aesthetics, Mario having story to rescue princess, nobody plays Mario for the story, thus Narrative isn't an aesthetic in Mario.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:47 AM

http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~hunicke/MDA.pdf

 

Personally, I recommend the MDA (Mechanics, Dynamics, Aesthetics) approach and looking at the 8 Aesthetics( Main Reasons why people play games):

 

 

1. Sensation
  Game as sense-pleasure  (Hearing/music - Catherine, Sight/art - El Shaddai )
2. Fantasy 
as make-believe (Soldier - Call of Duty, Spy - Splinter Cell, Mage/Warrior/Rogue - Skyrim, etc, etc)
3. Narrative 
   Game as drama (For the story, Most J-RPG's, Spec Ops: The Line, etc)
4. Challenge
  Game as obstacle course (Super Meat Boy, Demons Souls, Any game that's hard)
5. Fellowship
  Game as social framework (Teamwork with other people. Horde on Gears of War, Co-op mode on any game, etc)
6. Discovery
  Game as uncharted territory (Wandering around Skyrim, Fallout 3, Sandbox games)
7. Expression
  Game as self-discovery (Allow's a person to express themselves. Through choices, in-game creation - minecraft, music creation in Mabinogi, etc)
8. Submission
  Game as pastime (To lose oneself in, mindless past-time. Pokemon, Final Fantasy, etc)
 
Personally, I have one more: 
 
9. Competition
Game as competition (Multiplayer in Call of Duty)
 
These are the reasons people play games.
 
Most games have at least three aesthetics. Although some games have fragments of other aesthetics, Mario having story to rescue princess, nobody plays Mario for the story, thus Narrative isn't an aesthetic in Mario.

I agree with you.. and want to add some more games

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9. Competition

Pong shot Reloaded on BB, play multi player game with BBM friends.

 

10. To complete Game missions and Achievements or to complete goals:

There are many games having specific goals, missions and achievements. Player plays to complete those like Jet pack Joyride, Temple Run etc.


Edited by SweetyS, 18 January 2013 - 03:47 AM.


#7 KingNothing33   Members   -  Reputation: 128

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

Thank you all for replying.

 

I will definitely take these tips to heart.






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