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http://www.develop-online.net/news/43146/Microsoft-confirms-XNA-is-over
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Microsoft confirms XNA is over
Started by Thomas Wiborg, Feb 07 2013 04:15 PM
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:37 PM
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:52 PM
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:40 PM
well,i never used xna,mostly because it was in c#.But I'm sure they'll make a replacement for it
It's called "OpenGL". 
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:59 PM
It's called "OpenGL".well,i never used xna,mostly because it was in c#.But I'm sure they'll make a replacement for it
gimme an OpenGL that behaves reasonably consistent on different vendors hardware and I'll believe you...
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:02 PM
So C++ with the new math libs is the only future proof option?
Which part of the C++11 math library are you talking about? They didn't add standardized matrices or similar without informing me, did they?
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:24 AM
So C++ with the new math libs is the only future proof option?
Which part of the C++11 math library are you talking about? They didn't add standardized matrices or similar without informing me, did they?
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/chuckw/archive/2012/03/27/introducing-directxmath.aspx
Or if you rather: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/shawnhar/archive/2013/01/08/simplemath-a-simplified-wrapper-for-directxmath.aspx
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:39 AM
Ah, thanks, I thought you were talking about something in the new C++ standard.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:21 AM
That's really bad news ...
I was a bit surprised that Microsoft even bothered with updating XNA in the first place, i've always seen it as the indie xbox360 API (and the xbox360 doesn't change much).
The big question i would like to see answered really is: Does Microsoft intend to completely ignore indie developers for their next console or will there be a lower level wrapper instead for that one ?
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:08 AM
I was a bit surprised that Microsoft even bothered with updating XNA in the first place, i've always seen it as the indie xbox360 API (and the xbox360 doesn't change much).
That's really bad news ...
The big question i would like to see answered really is: Does Microsoft intend to completely ignore indie developers for their next console or will there be a lower level wrapper instead for that one ?
I don't see why a hypothetical "DirectX 12" can't fulfil both roles.
It appears that the gentleman thought C++ was extremely difficult and he was overjoyed that the machine was absorbing it; he understood that good C++ is difficult but the best C++ is well-nigh unintelligible.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:23 AM
I was a bit surprised that Microsoft even bothered with updating XNA in the first place, i've always seen it as the indie xbox360 API (and the xbox360 doesn't change much).
That's really bad news ...
The big question i would like to see answered really is: Does Microsoft intend to completely ignore indie developers for their next console or will there be a lower level wrapper instead for that one ?
I don't see why a hypothetical "DirectX 12" can't fulfil both roles.
I read a post about what MS sent to the DX and XNA MVPs(http://ventspace.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/directxxna-phase-out-continues/) the other day and that really seemed to indicate they where stopping every thing DX related, and sticking the parts that where used in the platform SDK. This means we are only going to see a potential "D3D 12" when windows 9 rolls around, seeing win 8 shipped with 11.1 which is rumored to be the API the next Xbox will use as well.
It seems MS is making people use C++ again as this is their major language for win 8 development on all win 8 varieties.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:37 AM
This has already happened. The "DirectX SDK" stopped existing long ago.and sticking the parts that where used in the platform SDK
Why so? You can't use plain old C++ at all with WinRT/Metro/Windows-Store -- you can use C++/CX or C# though, which appear to be on equal footing.It seems MS is making people use C++ again as this is their major language for win 8 development on all win 8 varieties.
You can also use D3D via C# -- XNA was never a "C# version of D3D", it's a comprehensive game framework/engine.
You're comparing XNA, which is a complete game framework programmable via C#, with C++ and DirectXMath, which is a language and a math library? I don't understand the comparison...So C++ with DirectXMath is the only future proof option?
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:33 AM
They aren't "making" you do anything; C# (well, anything .Net really) remains a core language for Windows development, be it RT/Metro/Phone or desktop. What has happened is that C++ has got back on an equal footing inside the ecosystem so it can be used and interop with those other languages in a much nicer way (the C++/CX extensions are pretty swish; allowing interop while also allowing normal C++ code).It seems MS is making people use C++ again as this is their major language for win 8 development on all win 8 varieties.
The way they are handling WP8 and Metro/Store development MIGHT be a hint as to how they'll allow development for the next console; the kernel is likely to be the same after all so you have the same sandboxing models in place as you have in Store/Phone apps. I wouldn't expect it on release, but 6 months to a year down the line, once everything is stable? Maybe.
Of course, much like Window's Store apps I wouldn't be surprised if you needed to be running Windows 8 to develop for it...
