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#1 Thomas Wiborg   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1089

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:36 PM

http://thenewboston.org/list.php?cat=16

Have any of you seen the tutorials on C++ from this homepage?

 

I was thinking of having a look at C++ and wondered if this was a decent place to start learn C++?

 

 



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#2 Shaquil   Members   -  Reputation: 815

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

Check these answers:

 

http://www.gamedev.net/topic/631165-opinion-on-new-boston/

 

I tried following some of his tutorials, but they were incredibly slow for me. Also, I think he over-reaches a little with the stuff he covers. In his Qt tutorials, he tries to explain the use of certain operators in C++, like ->

 

To me, if you don't know what -> does, then you really, really have no reason at all to be learning something like Qt. As a result, I fear his tutorials might be a little wonky. But still, it wouldn't hurt to give one a try. Sit through a few videos, and see if you're learning. If you are, then who cares what anyone else thinks? Getting better is all that matters. Good luck.



#3 Serapth   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 5661

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:00 PM

From what i've heard ( and I've not verified ), but he is teaching subject matter he doesn't seemingly understand, and as a result is often teaching bad form.

 

On the other hand, many people seem to find the tutorials very engaging and easy to follow.

 

 

Guess that's a catch-22... if you have a teacher that is engaging and effective, does that out weight the fact he is also wrong?

 

I mean, I loved my grade 10 history teacher, but I have a feeling it wasn't actually Martians that defeated the Nazis in WW2.



#4 ISDCaptain01   Members   -  Reputation: 1443

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:10 PM

he's Very good, he helped jumpstart my foray into programming. I find him engaging and not slow like my boring textbook. Don't worry just watch them, they are really the best u can find



#5 thedevsykes   Members   -  Reputation: 336

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:33 PM

As Serapth said, he's got the nack for teaching, but lacks the specialist knowledge, his interest is too broad. But, how can I complain, i'm not exactly out there making tutorials for folk, so go for it, while your watching his videos, read a couple articles/books. But ABOVE all, code, code, code and bloody well code. Practice is only way you'll get good at something.


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#6 Serapth   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 5661

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:42 PM

As Serapth said, he's got the nack for teaching, but lacks the specialist knowledge, his interest is too broad. But, how can I complain, i'm not exactly out there making tutorials for folk, so go for it, while your watching his videos, read a couple articles/books. But ABOVE all, code, code, code and bloody well code. Practice is only way you'll get good at something.

 

Frankly, half the C++ books out there are complete shit and teach really bad programming habits as it is.  I am not exaggeration either, many of these books are in their Nth edition and are teaching a language that doesn't really exist anymore.  That being the case, it's hard to fault some volunteer on the internet that has charisma.

 

Just be very well aware that what you are being taught is probably only partially correct at best.  Somewhat like you shouldn't cite Wikipedia as your only source, treat the New Boston the same way.  Just be sure to get a more proper grounding in the language after the fact.



#7 Toothpix   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 810

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:18 PM

TheNewBoston is one of the worst learning centers on the internet, IMHO.


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#8 BaneTrapper   Members   -  Reputation: 1243

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:23 AM

In my personal opinion, i think i watched his tutorials when i was learning basic of c++. I learned basics from him but many

concepts where explained so badly and all i knew was bacon, fish etc...

There are better ones around, but if you like person they are educative.

Conclusion I learned from him at start and i approve of it being good. But few terms where so badly explained that i had to go find other

tutorials to make up for missing information.

All in all if you want the basic as you noted, its good enough and its free! go watch them.

 

BTW Go watch Thenewboston acting "Bear grills" surviving in the wilderness and **** for a bet. You will learn a little from that but its a good time sink.

 

TheNewBoston is one of the worst learning centers on the internet, IMHO.

You have very high standards, i respect that. But you obviously didn't start learning c++ on the youtube,

because no man that did would state that TheNewBoston is near worst or you didn't search long enough around youtube.
The amount of bullship i watched/heard, now that i know how stuff works
and have moderate experience in c++ it just hurts me that those videos
don't have 90% dislikes at least.


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#9 minibutmany   Members   -  Reputation: 1674

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:45 PM

They can be good but you need to pick and choose.

I wasted 8 minutes watching a "collision detection" tutorial when all he really did was use a bunch of "if" statements checking pixel coordinates relative to the edges of his screen.


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#10 Servant of the Lord   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 20921

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

he's Very good, he helped jumpstart my foray into programming. I find him engaging and not slow like my boring textbook. Don't worry just watch them, they are really the best u can find

I haven't watched the videos in question, but your comment needs to bear in mind that the people who are worst at judging the quality of a teacher, is the people learning from the teaching - because a beginner doesn't know what's good practice or not, or whether an explanation is accurate or not.

Just because someone is very pleasant to listen to, doesn't mean he's knowledgeable about the subject he's teaching even if it sounds like he does. Even if he thinks he himself is.

 

Someone might benefit alot... but they also will be poisoned with wrong information and bad habits that might bite them later. Poisoned knowledge (knowledge that someone thinks is true but is not) can stick with someone for years sabotaging their programming in very subtle and hard to detect ways.

 

You'd think that when teaching things to beginners, that a higher degree of inaccuracy is acceptable, but actually I think the reverse is true. More experienced users learning an advanced subject can easily correct and readjust their knowledge if they find that something they learned from an article is wrong, but a beginner learning the very basic foundations of programming that everything is built upon should learn from a book or tutorial that the community of programming experts can vet as accurate.


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#11 steffy81   Members   -  Reputation: 220

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

I found thenewboston to be a valuable tool, but I did not use it as the only learning tool.  I used the tutorials from thenewboston as a suppliment to my readings and other tutorials.  I was having troubles in a few areas and these tutorials helped me a lot.  I have seen statements regarding learning bad habits and not fully learning everything the way we should from the videos.  That may be, but bad habits can be learned from many tutorials and books.

 

There is no harm in watching the videos in my opinion.  If you learn from them, fantastic.  If you don't, move on to different tutorials and books.  Use what works for you.  And as I stated above, do not use just one set of tutorials to learn from.  Use other tutorials and books.  You will find things that work for you.  You will start to learn good from bad habits.






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