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#1 Forenkazan   Members   -  Reputation: 198

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

hi

I have painted this to practice on how to shade and how to put texture
 

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I hope i can get enough critiques to improve my drawings

Program used: Photoshop cs 5



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#2 Komatsu   Members   -  Reputation: 383

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

I think the shading on this piece needs alot of work. you have shadows on both sides which almost makes it look like what is referred as pillow shading. pillow shading is something you want to avoid. I think the piece would look better with a light direction coming from the top left or top right. also this is a straight on side view yet the bottom curves up like your looking from the gound up to it.

 

i think it would look good to have a stained glass window in that empty top window space. however thats a matter of opinion and would change the piece away from a castle more towards a church.



#3 BagelHero   Members   -  Reputation: 1472

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:44 AM

I would advise you to keep to one thread in the future.

Anyway, I think we should look at some basics, here, rather than jumping to fancy-shamcy stuff like textures.

When looking at something 3D from the front, surface curves are apparent.
Let's take a simple item, a cup, and draw it using the same mistakes you made, then a correct one.

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The first one looks like an awkwardly cut or bent 2D plane, as opposed to a solid, 3D object. The effect gets amplified when you color with disregard to (or just forgetting about) a good light source.

Now, lets break this down a little, using the help of a reference image*.
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The angle is called eye-level because, as illustrated here, it is the angle we see when our eye (or in this case, camera) is at the same level as the top plane of the Cup. The bottom is slightly curved because we see the bottom plane of the cup from above, and so a small amount of logic-based perspective comes into play.
Think about it. You can simplify the bulk of a cup like this to a cylinder, and a cylinder is made up of two circles and the space between their edges.
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And even in a very simple cylinder such as this, you can see that curves are formed, pushing outward. There is no point or angle to which you can move a cylinder and have it curve into the shape instead of pushing out. So basically, following this...

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The surface lines of your tower would look a little more like this. I wasn't being very precise, so the eye level is somewhere between that bracket... oops.

The next thing here is your choice of light source.
Front-eye level white light source... While not strictly impossible, not very interesting and tends to muck with the solidness. For assets like this, you probably want a light source that's from the upper right or upper left.
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I chose upper right. It helps to draw the directions the light is going off in(shown by those childish lines, here). Now, remember, the object is 3D, and anything 3D blocking the light from touching anything else will cast a shadow, e.g.:
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On your tower, the roof and roof tiles would cast a shadow, as would the doorframe and the tower itself (that last one not so much of an issue if your tower is an asset for a cartoon-y game, however).
Another note on lighting, day time light and highlighted areas tend to be warm colors, while shadows tend to be cool colors. This isn't a rule, but it's a pretty good cheatsheet if there's no "interesting" light sources and it's a lit room or outside during the day.

Lastly, I would like to add that all your lines should be about the same weight, or outlines thick and lines inside of those thinner. On your tower, the roof and window lines are thick, while the rest of the lines are thin, and it looks amateurish.
Also, the door needs a handle of some description, and the window either needs to show the inside of the tower, or have some glass in it (I believe this one has already been pointed out enough, though).

The next time you draw an asset, I think perhaps you should draw in the horizon line to avoid slipping up on the surface lines.

Hope this helps!

*Oh, speaking of ref pictures, you should be using those! No tracing, but have a good look for something that resembles what you're drawing and go about studying it! What does it look like from different angles? What's it's texture, and what are its proportions both compared to itself and other things?

Edited by BagelHero, 10 February 2013 - 03:48 AM.


#4 riuthamus   Moderators   -  Reputation: 5626

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:18 AM

BagelHero, on 10 Feb 2013 - 20:33, said:
[...]
Anyway, I think we should look at some basics, here, rather than jumping to fancy-shamcy stuff like textures.

When looking at something 3D from the front, surface curves are apparent.
Let's take a simple item, a cup, and draw it using the same mistakes you made, then a correct one.

0kYHq3Y.png
The first one looks like an awkwardly cut or bent 2D plane, as opposed to a solid, 3D object. The effect gets amplified when you color with disregard to (or just forgetting about) a good light source.[...]


Well done with the post. Seriously...

Edited by jbadams, 13 February 2013 - 01:37 AM.
Cut down un-needed quote contents.


#5 Forenkazan   Members   -  Reputation: 198

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:07 PM

Thank you very much guys

 

i have benefit so much from your critiques

 

i  redraw my tower 

 

i hope its better now ^^

 

 

 

new and old one biggrin.png

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Edited by Forenkazan, 11 February 2013 - 06:08 PM.


#6 riuthamus   Moderators   -  Reputation: 5626

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:23 PM

Looking much better, i think you should really try not to texture it yet though, get the shaadows down by using 2 colors white and black and create the gray tones from that. I think that will help you to better understand. Try with the light in different directions and see where it casts.



#7 SolCommand   Members   -  Reputation: 144

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:39 AM

I really like the new tower mate. Looking at it brings back some memories as it somehow reminded me (don't know why) of my first strategy game I played, Age of Empires. 

Keep up the good work.



#8 Olof Hedman   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2908

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:25 AM

Looks much better, but there is still some weird mismatches in the horizontal lines as you go up the tower.

Above the eye level, the curves should turn up, not down, and below eye levels, all lines should turn down, a few of the tiles go the wrong way, and the roof too.

If you want your eyelevel to be above the roof, all horizontal lines should bend down.


Edited by Olof Hedman, 12 February 2013 - 09:31 AM.


#9 Plethora   Members   -  Reputation: 679

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:09 PM

Just a small bit of advice.  I myself am just a few steps further down the very road that you are on, working on a lot of these basic issues myself.  I would highly recommend that, at this stage, leave texturing till the end.  Basically:

 

1.  Make your asset with solid colors until you're completely happy with the shape.

2.  Shade those colors and add shadows as appropriate until you're completely happy with the shading.

3.  Only after those first two things are completely true, start adding in some texturing.

 

I'm by no means an expert, but I found I had a much easier time when I followed those rules.


I'm working on a game!  It's called "Spellbook Tactics".  I'd love it if you checked it out, offered some feedback, etc.  I am very excited about my progress thus far and confident about future progress as well!

 

http://infinityelephant.wordpress.com





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