Jump to content

  • Log In with Google      Sign In   
  • Create Account

Sony and the PS4, I'm Impressed. Your Thoughts?


Old topic!
Guest, the last post of this topic is over 60 days old and at this point you may not reply in this topic. If you wish to continue this conversation start a new topic.

  • You cannot reply to this topic
65 replies to this topic

#41 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4692

Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:57 PM

I think the PS4's question is whether or not it can result in an innovative gaming experience. I am impressed by the tech specs, but....I really don't know beyond that...

 

At this point, I think innovation is with whatever new peripheral Sony and 3rd parties decide to support. IMO, Wii U missed the boat on that one. But we'll see if Sony incorporates the Move with the neuro-headsets I've been reading about. Or even the VR helmets now being made.


Beginner in Game Development? Read here.
 
Super Mario Bros clone tutorial written in XNA 4.0 [MonoGame, ANX, and MonoXNA] by Scott Haley
 
If you have found any of the posts helpful, please show your appreciation by clicking the up arrow on those posts Posted Image
 
Spoiler

Sponsor:

#42 snowmanZOMG   Members   -  Reputation: 908

Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

I like what I know about the hardware so far, but there aren't enough details for me to really get excited about anything.  For me, the whole way Sony presented itself was just totally cool.  Strong message, more or less humble, and just plain pragmatic about things.  The PS2 and PS3 were so different in style, especially the PS3 which is what I remember the most.  One of my biggest worries, though, was that Sony would pull off some shenanigans like Microsoft has been doing lately with E3.  Some sort of celebrity charged media event, like WTF?  Sony did not disappoint me.



#43 Anastas   Members   -  Reputation: 247

Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:44 AM

Not impressed at all. I never owned a PS3 so the BC is a serious issue for me; now it all depends on how many PS3 games they bring over. The games are what matter really, I won't get one if it ends up like the Vita with few outstanding titles and the PSP games I most want aren't on PSN. The specs sure are nice, but PCs are even better and there's already a ton of games on and coming to PC.



#44 TheChubu   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4756

Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:36 AM

It is certainly a change from the "the next generation doesn't start until we say it does" I guess the PS2 made them feel like gods and Microsoft got them back down to Earth :P


"I AM ZE EMPRAH OPENGL 3.3 THE CORE, I DEMAND FROM THEE ZE SHADERZ AND MATRIXEZ"

 

My journals: dustArtemis ECS framework and Making a Terrain Generator


#45 way2lazy2care   Members   -  Reputation: 782

Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:22 AM

It is certainly a change from the "the next generation doesn't start until we say it does" I guess the PS2 made them feel like gods and Microsoft got them back down to Earth tongue.png

That's the biggest thing I took away from the conference. Sony was damaged a lot by their attitude early on. The change in that will benefit everyone.



#46 L. Spiro   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 14245

Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:07 PM

I don’t think Sony has the ability to impress me after having scarred their reputation permanently via their past arrogance.

It is nice that they changed their attitude this time around but it is about 10 years too late.  They are asses who don’t belong in the game industry, period.  Rather than being nice guys they are just jumping down Microsoft’s throat (and vice-versa).

 

They had the gall to tote the PlayStation Portable as a device where you can stick pictures of your girlfriend’s naughty bits.  How is that acceptable at all anywhere?

All women: Instantly offended.

Any decent man would also be offended.  If you are a man and not offended by that, it says something about you.

 

 

That being said, the new controller feels better in my hands overall, though a bit heavier.

But it also looks 10× dorkier with the touch pad creating a big blank space over the front of it.  And the space in the back where it curves down to make room for the L/R buttons is more narrow and hurts the top of my middle fingers more than the old controller does.  I can’t see this being used for any long-term gaming.

 

 

The only good point about Sony is that 2 days ago I was leaving my office and suddenly I had to go to the bathroom and Sony headquarters was right there, so I used their bathroom.  Other than having a conveniently located bathroom, Sony has no purpose.

 

Unfortunately, all the same gripes can be said about Microsoft, except they don’t have any bathrooms where I work so they are even worse.

And, unfortunately, Nintendo is run by 7 chair members, only one of whom is young and fresh and has a clue what the hell this generation wants.  The others are old clueless grampies who all need to hurry up and die off so that Nintendo can get its act together.  The young one among them is constantly frustrated by them because he always gets outvoted.  “Processing power is not important,” the old guys say.  “I have been making games since you were in diapers.  I know what the customers want.”

 

Great gramps.  You know that games matter most.  Oh by the way, games are made by developers, and if it is too difficult to support you system along with the other 2, your system will just not get support.  Get a clue.

 

 

Of the 3, Sony and Microsoft are asses and Nintendo is clueless.  The last generation of consoles was…the last generation of consoles.

Only Sony headquarters has a convenient bathroom and it is actually faster for me to get to the station by going through their building rather than around it, so technically they save me some time getting home.  Technically that makes them the winner.

 

 

L. Spiro


It is amazing how often people try to be unique, and yet they are always trying to make others be like them. - L. Spiro 2011
I spent most of my life learning the courage it takes to go out and get what I want. Now that I have it, I am not sure exactly what it is that I want. - L. Spiro 2013
I went to my local Subway once to find some guy yelling at the staff. When someone finally came to take my order and asked, “May I help you?”, I replied, “Yeah, I’ll have one asshole to go.”
L. Spiro Engine: http://lspiroengine.com
L. Spiro Engine Forums: http://lspiroengine.com/forums

#47 Oberon_Command   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1963

Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:52 PM

They had the gall to tote the PlayStation Portable as a device where you can stick pictures of your girlfriend’s naughty bits.  How is that acceptable at all anywhere?
All women: Instantly offended.

Offtopic: not necessarily. Some women do voluntarily (*gasp*) send naughty pictures of themselves to their boyfriends, for a multitude of reasons which I will not go into since most of them should be fairly obvious to you. I can't see said women being offended.

Any decent man would also be offended.  If you are a man and not offended by that, it says something about you.

Er, what? Again, what exactly is offensive about a woman voluntarily sending a man she trusts pictures of her body and the man keeping them? I'd say a decent man would keep said pictures hidden from others, naturally, since revealing "naughty pictures" of anyone regardless of relationship status without their permission is in my world an indecent thing to do, but I see nothing wrong with simply possessing said pictures if they were freely and voluntarily given. Activities between two consenting adults, etc. You make it out like all instances of sharing images of your own body are somehow disgusting, which has yet to be demonstrated to me.

This discussion probably belongs in its own thread, though.

Edited by Oberon_Command, 27 February 2013 - 07:20 PM.


#48 L. Spiro   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 14245

Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:30 PM

That isn’t the context of their ad nor of my protests.  It doesn’t matter that the girl sent her naughty photos to her lover, which might indeed be perfectly fine and non-indicative of anything unusual between both of them.

 

Rather the ad:

#1: Objectifies women.

#2: Stereotypes men as sex-hungry dolts.

 

Think of it from the perspective of those who made the ad.  What does it indicate that they think about us?

“So let’s categorize our target audience.  Sex-hungry adolescent teens who treat women like sex objects.”

It isn’t wrong for couples to share some photos.  It is wrong to portray that in any light that is less than intimate and meaningful.  Putting her stickers on your PlayStation Portable where everyone on the trains can see them trivializes what should otherwise be an intimate and meaningful relationship.

 

Are you not offended that Sony thinks you can be driven to buy their product by sex?  Sony thinks you have nothing else on your mind.  Because we all know all men are completely focused on nothing but sex…

Sigh.

It feels dirty even to use their bathroom.

 

 

L. Spiro


Edited by L. Spiro, 27 February 2013 - 07:30 PM.

It is amazing how often people try to be unique, and yet they are always trying to make others be like them. - L. Spiro 2011
I spent most of my life learning the courage it takes to go out and get what I want. Now that I have it, I am not sure exactly what it is that I want. - L. Spiro 2013
I went to my local Subway once to find some guy yelling at the staff. When someone finally came to take my order and asked, “May I help you?”, I replied, “Yeah, I’ll have one asshole to go.”
L. Spiro Engine: http://lspiroengine.com
L. Spiro Engine Forums: http://lspiroengine.com/forums

#49 Oberon_Command   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1963

Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:08 AM

I think I'd need to see this particular ad to comment further. Have you a link handy?

#50 L. Spiro   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 14245

Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:41 AM

I was not the only one completely offended by them.

http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2006/03/6373-2/

They were signs and billboards around the UK, nothing to actually watch.  But people tended to agree that they were definitely a new low and completely unnecessary.

 

 

L. Spiro


It is amazing how often people try to be unique, and yet they are always trying to make others be like them. - L. Spiro 2011
I spent most of my life learning the courage it takes to go out and get what I want. Now that I have it, I am not sure exactly what it is that I want. - L. Spiro 2013
I went to my local Subway once to find some guy yelling at the staff. When someone finally came to take my order and asked, “May I help you?”, I replied, “Yeah, I’ll have one asshole to go.”
L. Spiro Engine: http://lspiroengine.com
L. Spiro Engine Forums: http://lspiroengine.com/forums

#51 Krohm   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3245

Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:41 AM

WTF. Maybe they did so in Japan? I haven't been following but that would be really serious issue (and dumb beyond words).



#52 phantom   Moderators   -  Reputation: 7563

Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:31 AM

Are you not offended that Sony thinks you can be driven to buy their product by sex?

So I guess you are offended by every ad campaign (targetted at anyone who isn't a child) going then as they are all basically driven by sex in some regard or another.

#53 L. Spiro   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 14245

Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:33 AM

So I guess you are offended by every ad campaign (targetted at anyone who isn't a child) going then as they are all basically driven by sex in some regard or another.

One of many reasons I do not watch TV. I haven’t seen any ads besides the family-oriented Nintendo ones on the trains.


L. Spiro
It is amazing how often people try to be unique, and yet they are always trying to make others be like them. - L. Spiro 2011
I spent most of my life learning the courage it takes to go out and get what I want. Now that I have it, I am not sure exactly what it is that I want. - L. Spiro 2013
I went to my local Subway once to find some guy yelling at the staff. When someone finally came to take my order and asked, “May I help you?”, I replied, “Yeah, I’ll have one asshole to go.”
L. Spiro Engine: http://lspiroengine.com
L. Spiro Engine Forums: http://lspiroengine.com/forums

#54 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3981

Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:54 AM


Are you not offended that Sony thinks you can be driven to buy their product by sex?

So I guess you are offended by every ad campaign (targetted at anyone who isn't a child) going then as they are all basically driven by sex in some regard or another.

I actually do get quite offended at some of those ads, particularly the ones the blatantly advertise cheating

 


Check out https://www.facebook.com/LiquidGames for some great games made by me on the Playstation Mobile market.

#55 Vincent_M   Members   -  Reputation: 744

Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

I was hoping for next-gen hardware and not off-the-shelves PC hardware that currently exists... Besides a controller for main input (something MS games on PCs are sort of adapting to), the proprietary and cost-efficient hardware specs that beats PC performance for the next few years is what makes a console different from a PC. From what I've seen, this console can output graphical quality comparable to Battlefield 3 on PC on max settings that came out in late 2011. This console probably coming out late this year.

 

OS functionality social media/gaming has taken off nowadays, but is what Sony going to do anymore unique from what other platforms are doing now? If so and it's popular, the others would eventually copy them... Any "breakthrough" OS feature is just a firmware update away, and I'm sure today's hardware, especially the 1GB of dedicated OS memory (smart move) could handle whatever they come up with. It's just a matter of thinking it up, and having the server back-end to support it.

 

Again, social gaming has been around on PCs longer than consoles. According to the Bungie ViDocs, some people didn't think Halo 1's matchmaking service was a "console-y" thing to do, and more of a PC feature. But that seemed to pay off really well for Halo, CoD, and Battlefield. If you take away bleeding-edge hardware, will proprietary gaming services and a controller make the difference?



#56 Ravyne   GDNet+   -  Reputation: 8154

Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

I was hoping for next-gen hardware and not off-the-shelves PC hardware that currently exists... Besides a controller for main input (something MS games on PCs are sort of adapting to), the proprietary and cost-efficient hardware specs that beats PC performance for the next few years is what makes a console different from a PC. From what I've seen, this console can output graphical quality comparable to Battlefield 3 on PC on max settings that came out in late 2011. This console probably coming out late this year.

 

Consoles have never--not once--had better hardware than PCs of like era. They have had different and specialized hardware for most of their existence, to some degree or another, but console performance is outsized compared to a similarly powerful PC because their whole is greater than the sum of their parts, and further still because there is only one "whole", not the jumbled, piecemeal, every-PC-is-a-beautiful-snowflake landscape.

 

Recall that the original Xbox was even closer to a bog-standard PC, and how it generated graphics that no essentially identical Windows PC could dream of touching. The PS3 and 360 today are doing things that no like-powered PC could accomplish, albeit with unique architecture. The PS4 and (rumored) Xbox Next spec do cite some custom silicon, though, so they've still got some specialized grunt uniquely their own.

 

When you make one single hardware spec, designed for games, then cut OS and driver overhead to the bone, and then turn developers loose on it, you literally multiply the effectiveness of the hardware several fold -- not necessarily in useless benchmark numbers -- but absolutely in terms of real results.



#57 Hodgman   Moderators   -  Reputation: 31800

Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:54 AM

Yeah, the hardware will be more cost-efficient than a PC, because it'll be mass produced in it's single configuation in very large production runs. It will then also outperform similarly spec'ed PC hardware, because there'll be less OS/Driver overheads than on PC, and developers will be able to spend a disproportionately large time optimizing for that single hardware specification (whereas on PC they have to optimize for endless configurations). It's still got these traits that make consoles beat out PCs.

When the PS3 launched in 06, it shipped with what was nVidia's best PC GPU at the time, but within 6 months it was no longer top-of-the-line. Anyone who has the PC equivalent of that GPU in their PC is no longer supported -- it's too slow, and lacking in features (no DX10/11) so most new games don't even bother being compatible with it any more... However, the PS3 versions of these games obviously are compatible with such a GPU, because they can get around the driver and also compensate for it's failings with the CPU, knowing exactly how much CPU power they have (on a PC, a user with this GPU will likely also have a very slow CPU, so you can't compensate).

Even if the PS4 is just a current top-of-the-line PC, it'll still be able to survive against 5 years of PC upgrades, just like the PS2 and PS3 did.

Anyway, I don't know of many PC's with GDDR5 main memory, nor an 8-core CPU... So it's a damn high spec PC.

 

Consoles have never--not once--had better hardware than PCs of like era.

I'd say that the PS3 shipped with a better (measured by theoretical peak performance) CPU than PC's at the time. In fact, it still beats out some CPU's from 5 years later wink.png



#58 Vincent_M   Members   -  Reputation: 744

Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:19 AM

When you make one single hardware spec, designed for games, then cut OS and driver overhead to the bone, and then turn developers loose on it, you literally multiply the effectiveness of the hardware several fold -- not necessarily in useless benchmark numbers -- but absolutely in terms of real results.

 

That's a good point. I was wondering if a stripped-down OS would make the difference. Having its own reserved memory is also great because getting 8GB really means you're getting that. I remember Naughty Dog saying that the tech demo of Uncharted 2 couldn't run on household PS3 yet simply because Sony hasn't finished a firmware update yet that would cut down the memory footprint of the OS allowing Uncharted 2 to have just enough free memory to run.

 

When the PS3 launched in 06, it shipped with what was nVidia's best PC GPU at the time, but within 6 months it was no longer top-of-the-line.

That's interesting to hear, and both your posts made clear that I need to know my PC hardware better! All I've heard was from news sites lately was that the PS4's specs were off-the-shelf PC hardware and the specs were a step up from the PS3, but nothing bleeding-edge like the PS3's was. Now that I know the PS3 was surpassed by shear processing power (not taking into account OS overhead), I could see where this hardware would shine.

 

If they take anything away from mobile gaming platforms, I would hope they consider giving Indie Games a shot with like a $99 dev kit or something simple similar to XNA, but with the review process we'll be seeing with Steam's Greenlight program where gamers get a say on if they want the game on the platform or not. They could restrict us to a limited download size of the game like 2GB since we're not full, disk-based developers. I think that would be fair, and it gels well with the PS4 official announcement doc:

 


Gamer Focused, Developer Inspired

PS4 was designed from the ground up to ensure that the very best games and the most

immersive experiences reach PlayStation gamers. PS4 accomplishes this by enabling the
greatest game developers in the world to unlock their creativity and push the boundaries of
play through a system that is tuned specifically to their needs.

 



#59 kryotech   Members   -  Reputation: 935

Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:18 AM

I think the PS4's question is whether or not it can result in an innovative gaming experience. I am impressed by the tech specs, but....I really don't know beyond that...

 

At this point, I think innovation is with whatever new peripheral Sony and 3rd parties decide to support. IMO, Wii U missed the boat on that one. But we'll see if Sony incorporates the Move with the neuro-headsets I've been reading about. Or even the VR helmets now being made.

 

I'm just hoping that this doesn't turn out to be some gimmick that has no real value to it. The touchpad thing in particular makes me skeptical....that being said, I'm impressed with the social features, but am not sure how they will figure into games. 


Kryotech

#60 snowmanZOMG   Members   -  Reputation: 908

Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:37 PM

I really do hope Sony takes the initiative here and opens the system up to more independent developers and relax their requirements for dev kits. I personally believe that it would be a HUGE plus over competitors if they offer this. Otherwise, I'm just going to stick to PC development since it's just easier to get my game out there...




Old topic!
Guest, the last post of this topic is over 60 days old and at this point you may not reply in this topic. If you wish to continue this conversation start a new topic.



PARTNERS