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Petition for the White House: Perpetual Motion Machines


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#1 Mastermind89   Members   -  Reputation: 127

Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:11 PM

People around the world,

 

 

 

My name is Noah Bangs. I have set up a petition for the white house on petitions.whitehouse.gov, because I have discovered the cold, hard truth about energy companies.

 

Back in the 1800's, Russian inventor Nikola Tesla found a way to use perpetual motion to generate infinite, clean energy. But, greedy energy companies shunned this invention because they were afraid of losing profit.

 

Money isn't everything, though.

 

If this petition reaches the president or congress, we could see a huge change in the world today. Cars that don't require fuel, more businesses and enterprises, clear ozone, etc.

 

We could literally eliminate electricity bills forever.

 

 

Sign and share this petition if you agree.

 

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/advocate-use-perpetual-motion-machines-good-earth/WrKck0M2

 

 

Noah Bangs



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#2 Hodgman   Moderators   -  Reputation: 29751

Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:16 PM

[Citation needed]



#3 szecs   Members   -  Reputation: 2121

Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:34 PM

Tesla wasn't Russian.



#4 ChaosEngine   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2301

Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:49 PM

He's right. I saw it here.


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#5 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3705

Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:07 PM

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can we just ban this guy already?
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#6 Prinz Eugn   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3587

Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:17 PM

can we just ban this guy already?

 

Shhhhh... everyone knows that the first law of thermodynamics just doesn't understand people with autism-spectrum disorders.


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#7 Cornstalks   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 6974

Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:22 PM

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I'm sure someone else could've come up with some better ones...


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#8 szecs   Members   -  Reputation: 2121

Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:25 PM

Shit, you are maybe right. Shit, I think he or it is actually that Raspberry guy with the beard and that Anastasia Russian person. Thing.



#9 Oberon_Command   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1872

Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:38 PM

Shit, you are maybe right. Shit, I think he or it is actually that Raspberry guy with the beard and that Anastasia Russian person. Thing.

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#10 legend911   Members   -  Reputation: 114

Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:39 AM

Mind showing us the model of this perpetual motion machine? :P



#11 The_Neverending_Loop   Members   -  Reputation: 604

Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

but you'll break the universe!!! 



#12 Dragonsoulj   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2098

Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:52 AM

Don't get me wrong, cleaner, cheaper energy would be great. However, do you know why we can't have a perpetual motion machine? This has it gathered nicely, even if it is wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion_machine



#13 Waterlimon   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2516

Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:01 AM

No thank you, ill go with the ads selling super efficient solar panel kits energy companies want to hide.

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#14 Milcho   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1175

Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:17 AM

can we just ban this guy already?

 

Shhhhh... everyone knows that the first law of thermodynamics just doesn't understand people with autism-spectrum disorders.

 

If I remember correctly (after a brief google of Tesla's claims), his supposed discovery was a perpetual motion of the 2nd kind, which doesn't violate the First law of thermodynamics (meaning the law of conservation of energy is not violated)

 

However, it does violate the more subtle, yet equally strict and valid Second law of thermodynamics - meaning that you cannot extract energy from a system in thermal equilibrium.

 

No one should be banned strictly for advocating physically impossible things, but be informed of why these things are impossible.

In this case, reading about Tesla's proposal and the laws of Thermodynamics is a good start.



#15 Luckless   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1774

Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:38 AM

Also, don't confuse improbable with impossible. The "laws" of physics were written by men looking at shadows, and thinking they understood what is actually going on. Too many "scientists" these days take it on faith that their science is correct, perfect, and there is no way it will ever be proven wrong, invalid, or somehow mistaken. 

 

It is entirely possible that the laws of thermodynamics are actually mostly bogus under some set of conditions, and that a nearly unlimited amount of useful energy can be extracted for use by humans by some simple and cheap means. While it is most likely so improbable as to be nearly impossible, we should not simple assume it is completely impossible and then go bury our heads in the sand while putting zero effort toward exploring such ideas and seeking solutions.

 

 

(But yeah, OP seems like a troll or nutter. Not sure which.)


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#16 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3705

Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:41 AM



can we just ban this guy already?

 
Shhhhh... everyone knows that the first law of thermodynamics just doesn't understand people with autism-spectrum disorders.


 
If I remember correctly (after a brief google of Tesla's claims), his supposed discovery was a perpetual motion of the 2nd kind, which doesn't violate the First law of thermodynamics (meaning the law of conservation of energy is not violated)
 
However, it does violate the more subtle, yet equally strict and valid Second law of thermodynamics - meaning that you cannot extract energy from a system in thermal equilibrium.
 
No one should be banned strictly for advocating physically impossible things, but be informed of why these things are impossible.
In this case, reading about Tesla's proposal and the laws of Thermodynamics is a good start.


I did not suggest he be banned for this post alone, but his posting history comes down to pretty much spam, or attention getting posts. and has made no indication to change that behavior.
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#17 JTippetts   Moderators   -  Reputation: 8410

Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:47 AM

Provide infinite energy for all the earth (and remove wrinkles and reverse aging as well) using this one neat trick that power companies hate.

#18 Milcho   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1175

Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:02 AM

Also, don't confuse improbable with impossible. The "laws" of physics were written by men looking at shadows, and thinking they understood what is actually going on. Too many "scientists" these days take it on faith that their science is correct, perfect, and there is no way it will ever be proven wrong, invalid, or somehow mistaken. 

 

It is entirely possible that the laws of thermodynamics are actually mostly bogus under some set of conditions, and that a nearly unlimited amount of useful energy can be extracted for use by humans by some simple and cheap means. While it is most likely so improbable as to be nearly impossible, we should not simple assume it is completely impossible and then go bury our heads in the sand while putting zero effort toward exploring such ideas and seeking solutions.

 

 

(But yeah, OP seems like a troll or nutter. Not sure which.)

 

In a general case of a non-specific scientific theory, I'd roughly agree with you.

 

In the case of the laws of thermodynamics, you can put all the effort you like, it's still going to be impossible. There's cases that the ever-increasing entropy can be shown to be reversed (by pure chance interactions), but these cases are so improbable, that if you waited longer than the universe's lifetime, you'd never see such a case. It gets worse the larger the entropy reversal you expect to see.

I don't define that as 'improbable' because it's not. It's pretty much the definition of impossible.



#19 Oolala   Members   -  Reputation: 785

Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:03 PM

I seriously cannot tell you how proud I am right now of my home country [United States] that this incredibly stupid petition only has a single signature, which I suspect belongs to the author.  I'm not the nationalist type, but this is worth being proud of.



#20 Servant of the Lord   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 18743

Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:15 PM

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