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#1 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3412

Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:00 PM

so, i'm putting together a pc from scratch finally, and just wanted to get some advice to A. make sure i didn't put anything stupid together(such as wrong power supply, bad case, or even a bad mb combos). and any suggestions on improvements to potentially save some costs here and there where you guys see fit.

the current build: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=23214866

Edited by slicer4ever, 13 June 2013 - 11:41 PM.

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#2 BeanDog   Members   -  Reputation: 1063

Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:36 PM

I'd recommend posting a link that others can view.


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#3 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3412

Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:42 PM

try it now, I think i fixed it.

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#4 Cornstalks   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 6974

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:17 AM

Seems fine to me, though I might suggest upgrading the HDD a little. 16MB HDD cache is pretty small, seeing as 64MB is a pretty normal cache size these days. Something like this has a 64GBMB (edit: oops) cache and an extra 500GB of disk space for only $15 more (I wasn't looking either, I just picked the first link I found, so a little shopping wouldn't be a bad idea).


Edited by Cornstalks, 14 June 2013 - 11:40 AM.

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#5 Bacterius   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 8316

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:23 AM


Something like this has a 64GB cache

 

64GB cache! Holy crap! tongue.png

 

I had issues with the 1333MHz version of those RAM sticks, they would consistently fail after about 2 months, I RMA'ed and was returned faulty sticks. I gave up after that.

Looks fine otherwise, everything fits together. I would suggest adding a smallish SSD if you can smile.png and perhaps a second hard drive because 500GB gets used up really quickly (unless you already have an external hard drive)


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#6 Zwonkie   Members   -  Reputation: 508

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:45 AM

Select some Corsair or Kingston ram, those are usually good quality. 

 

Dont cheap out on things like the motherborad, ram and powersupply - it will only make the system more unstable.

*Elaborating: 

Your powersupply seems like a good choice, the rams would benifit from being upgraded to corsiar/kingston, as mentioned. 

I have little experience with AMD system combos as i usually choose INTEL, so i cant comment on the motherboard. 

 

If you want are more silence PC, it would also recommend to choosing a different cabinet/case - if you went for the look, then its fine i guess. 


Edited by Zwonkie, 14 June 2013 - 12:51 AM.


#7 tstrimple   Prime Members   -  Reputation: 1718

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:55 AM

This PC is useless without SSD!



#8 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3412

Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:27 AM

ok, so first of all, i'm happy to hear i didn't make any fundamental mistakes.
also, i added a 64gb ssd, and a 1TB hdd to complement it.
I also switched over to 8gb Corsair ram.

@Zwonkie, i know the MB is a bit on the lower side, but it has pretty good reviews, so i don't think it'll be too much of an issue. also most of the negative feedback is being directly addressed by the manufacturer, so that gives me a bit of confidence.
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#9 Aliii   Members   -  Reputation: 1432

Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:28 AM

Dont buy an SSD under 120GB.

I would only buy a power supply from a manufacturer that is dedicated to power supplies only.

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#10 tharealjohn   Members   -  Reputation: 451

Posted 14 June 2013 - 10:20 AM

I only chime in because of this;

 


I would only buy a power supply from a manufacturer that is dedicated to power supplies only.

 

I have a corsair power supply very similar to the one in that wish list and I love it. Have had 0 issues with it. One of the main reasons I like Corsair for power supplies, is that they make their supplies with a single 12V rail. I have ran into so many issues upgrading hardware and running into power issues with the amps are split across multiple 12v rails. Depending on your needs, you most likely dont need more than 1 12v rail, and it reduces headaches later. Maybe more manufactures do this now, but 2 years ago they were not. It becomes more of an issue lately because those stinking graphic cards take up so much power, that often cheaper split rail power supplies cant support the juice unless you rig multiple rails pushing into the card, which is not always an option...


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#11 samoth   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4656

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:00 PM

I wouldn't buy a Gigabyte mainboard, having had issues in the past because the mainboard that the 17 year old expert at the shop recommended wouldn't do the DIMMs that the expert recommended with it. ASUS never gave me trouble.

 

The harddisk you chose is incidentially the exact same I use with a mobile rack for backups, so I guess I couldn't say anything bad about it!

For the a solid state disk, I'd prefer the OCZ Vertex 4, but opinions are like assholes -- everybody has one. In any case, I'd go for something bigger than 64GB, so you have a little reserve. If you have to buy a smaller CPU to afford the SSD, then so be it. A solid state disk is the single biggest win, so one shouldn't ever economize there.

 

For the BluRay drive, it might be worthwhile thinking about buying that as USB. It's something I've done with my last computer. The advantage is that you can just pull the cable and during the 29 days per month when you don't need an optical drive, it won't consume power or delay your computer when booting.

 

Now of course Windows 8 ... this is the probably biggest mistake possible. I've already had this opinion after trying Windows 8 preview on my desktop back in the time, but now that I own a Windows 8 tablet for somewhat more than 2 weeks, I am even more convinced that Win8 is total fail. It is not even very usable for tablets, but even less so for desktops. Just say no. Windows 7 is so much better.



#12 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3412

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:27 PM

I wouldn't buy a Gigabyte mainboard, having had issues in the past because the mainboard that the 17 year old expert at the shop recommended wouldn't do the DIMMs that the expert recommended with it. ASUS never gave me trouble.

I see, I appreciate the advice, but I think i'm still ganna go with this board.

The harddisk you chose is incidentially the exact same I use with a mobile rack for backups, so I guess I couldn't say anything bad about it!
For the a solid state disk, I'd prefer the OCZ Vertex 4, but opinions are like assholes -- everybody has one. In any case, I'd go for something bigger than 64GB, so you have a little reserve. If you have to buy a smaller CPU to afford the SSD, then so be it. A solid state disk is the single biggest win, so one shouldn't ever economize there.

I have an OCZ Vertex 3 in my laptop right now, but I don't feel 64 gb is ganna be too terrible when combined with the 1TB hdd(particularly now that steam allows you to specify install locations helps to.)

For the BluRay drive, it might be worthwhile thinking about buying that as USB. It's something I've done with my last computer. The advantage is that you can just pull the cable and during the 29 days per month when you don't need an optical drive, it won't consume power or delay your computer when booting.

I'll keep that in mind, it's not a bad idea.
 

Now of course Windows 8 ... this is the probably biggest mistake possible. I've already had this opinion after trying Windows 8 preview on my desktop back in the time, but now that I own a Windows 8 tablet for somewhat more than 2 weeks, I am even more convinced that Win8 is total fail. It is not even very usable for tablets, but even less so for desktops. Just say no. Windows 7 is so much better.


now this is where you should have used your opinion line. I have used windows 8 a bit on some family laptops, and am personally in love with the OS, And have been wanting to upgrade for quite awhile, so we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.
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#13 Promit   Moderators   -  Reputation: 6340

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:27 PM

Motherboards: I've been happiest with Gigabyte, and both MSI and Asus have been very good to me as well.

Graphics card: Eh, I'm on icy speaking terms with AMD right now. XFX is probably fine as an integrator but certainly not top tier.

Power supply: Corsair's great, all of ours are Corsair based now.

CPU: AMD... I'm not particularly fond of them, but CPU isn't a very important component anymore.

RAM: I'd go 2x8, myself. Corsair is great.

SSD: Crucial, Samsung, and Intel are the reliable top tier brands. I don't trust anything else. Buy at least 120 GB and go for the 240+ if at all possible.

HDD: I'm a little annoyed at the shoddiness of the Seagate warranty these days.



#14 Promit   Moderators   -  Reputation: 6340

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:29 PM


I have an OCZ Vertex 3 in my laptop right now, but I don't feel 64 gb is ganna be too terrible when combined with the 1TB hdd(particularly now that steam allows you to specify install locations helps to.)

I made that mistake too. 64 GB is enough for the OS and very little else. I like to actually use my expensive SSD, hence the larger sizes.


Edited by Promit, 14 June 2013 - 12:30 PM.


#15 froop   Members   -  Reputation: 636

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:39 PM

Yes, definitely get a bigger SSD. Remember that games are huge these days. You may also want to use a better cpu cooler than the stock one. Also make sure the graphics card is silent, because there's nothing worse than loud gpu coolers, and replacing those isn't fun or cheap.



#16 Promit   Moderators   -  Reputation: 6340

Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:09 PM

Yes, definitely get a bigger SSD. Remember that games are huge these days. You may also want to use a better cpu cooler than the stock one. Also make sure the graphics card is silent, because there's nothing worse than loud gpu coolers, and replacing those isn't fun or cheap.

If you do get a new cooler, I'm quite fond of the closed loop Corsair water cooling blocks. They're lightweight and easy to install, and double as case fans. Cleaner to put inside a case than the monster tower coolers (eg Hyper212).



#17 latch   Members   -  Reputation: 676

Posted 14 June 2013 - 06:10 PM

Sorry I'm going with the others on the SSD- this very box I typing on has a 40gig ssd for the os, a 1 tb and 250gb, and I am forever having to monitor the ssd it because it fills up- a lot.

 

You need enough for windows and all your programs- my windows 7 ult windows folder is 22gb and I have 13gb in program files.

 

120gb is a nice round number.



#18 alnite   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2062

Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:25 PM

I don't understand why anyone would pair up an SSD with a HDD.  I think it's better to just go pure SSD.  If you need the extra space, an external HDD or a NAS is preferable.



#19 latch   Members   -  Reputation: 676

Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:39 AM

It's not cost effective to go pure ssd.



#20 tstrimple   Prime Members   -  Reputation: 1718

Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:43 AM

It's not cost effective to go pure ssd.

Depends on how much space you need... I honestly don't know what you guys are storing! I'm perfectly capable of getting away with a 128GB SSD. Not everything has to be installed at once! :D






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