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#1 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4692

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:34 PM

Well the WiiU had a thread, the Xbox One has two threads. So it's only fair that Sony and the PS4 have their own thread.

 

With that said, any news on whether or not the PS4 is backwards-compatible with the PS3? I'm assuming it's not, but I wanted to be sure.

 

Any of course talk about anything PS4-related here.


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#2 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3944

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:37 PM

With that said, any news on whether or not the PS4 is backwards-compatible with the PS3? I'm assuming it's not, but I wanted to be sure.


from my understanding, they are going to use their newly acquired streaming service for that.(although i don't recall reading that in any official statements, so it just might be a rumor.)
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#3 Promit   Moderators   -  Reputation: 7335

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

No direct backwards compatibility. As slicer said, the current expectation is that Gaikai will enable PS3 gameplay in spring 2014. What would be nice is if I automatically get Gaikai access to PS3 games I own (potentially by putting the disc in?) but nothing much has been announced or even rumored as far as I know.



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:48 PM

No backwards compatibly with PS1-PS3 games, because they changed to an x86-64 processor architecture. Basically, it would be like trying to run Windows programs on an old Mac still using a PowerPC processor. Really not gonna happen without emulation. :P

Though the Gaikai streaming service is an emulator, as far as I understand, so that's cool. Not too thrilled that you have to stream the games, but Sony is doing everything else pretty right so I'm willing to take it. :)


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:51 PM

I'm curious if the ps4 is powerful enough to emulate the ps2 this time around.
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#6 Alpha_ProgDes   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4692

Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:53 PM

I'm curious if the ps4 is powerful enough to emulate the ps2 this time around.

 

I'd be surprised if it can't. Although, if Gaikai is streaming emulated games, I guess we'll never know the answer to that question.

 

I wonder if PS4 will have Linux?


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:55 PM

I would imagine there will be several older PS games available through Gaikai. It would be silly for them to only have PS3 games available. tongue.png

Also, what do people think of the potential PS+ layout? I think it's quite beautiful, I'm always a sucker for good interface design!

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#8 alnite   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2123

Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:24 PM



Though the Gaikai streaming service is an emulator, as far as I understand, so that's cool. Not too thrilled that you have to stream the games, but Sony is doing everything else pretty right so I'm willing to take it. smile.png

 

Gaikai is not an emulator. It streams videos, send inputs to server, and sends back the result.



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:49 PM

Oh, ok. I misunderstood something somewhere else, then. I thought Gaikai was an online-emulator in the likes of Console Classix. 


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

I'm curious if the ps4 is powerful enough to emulate the ps2 this time around.

 

It's not a matter of simply power. The support for PS2 would also need to be built into the OS (and would probably require extra circuitry and chips on the motherboard), increasing the cost.


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#11 Matias Goldberg   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3564

Posted 14 June 2013 - 03:49 PM

 

I'm curious if the ps4 is powerful enough to emulate the ps2 this time around.

 

It's not a matter of simply power. The support for PS2 would also need to be built into the OS (and would probably require extra circuitry and chips on the motherboard), increasing the cost.

 

Not really. PCSX2 can emulate many PS2 games with astonishing quality. Though it may not be suitable for "release" or "professional" quality, as there are occasional glitches here and there plus sudden major slowdowns.

 

The PS4 however uses GDDR5 which has terribly high latency. And PCSX2 needs very low latency because it's constantly checking for floating point operation errors (PS2 diverges vastly from IEEE 754 behavior) which could kill fully-software-based PS2 emulation solutions on the PS4



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 03:58 PM

I'm curious if the ps4 is powerful enough to emulate the ps2 this time around.

 
It's not a matter of simply power. The support for PS2 would also need to be built into the OS (and would probably require extra circuitry and chips on the motherboard), increasing the cost.


i don't think it'd need extra/special chips like the ps3 did, the pc emulator is pretty top-notch, and the ps4 is defiantly on par for a pc that could run ps2 emulators, it'll probably have to be built into the OS, but I think the PS4 would be powerful enough as is, if sony built it.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 01:10 AM

Oh, ok. I misunderstood something somewhere else, then. I thought Gaikai was an online-emulator in the likes of Console Classix. 

It's more of an onlive.


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#14 Cromulent   Members   -  Reputation: 388

Posted 15 June 2013 - 10:31 AM

Well I've just cancelled my Xbox One pre-order to get a PS4 instead. I think I've made the right decision in the end. Cheaper and doesn't have a stupid Kinect which I've never wanted nor am I particularly pleased about the idea of it being always on. The only thing I'll really miss on the PS4 is the Xbox controller which I always preferred.



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Posted 15 June 2013 - 10:34 AM

I've always favored the 360's controller, too. But something tells me it will be fairly easy to readjust to the PS4's layout. :P

 


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:21 PM

PS1 nostaly could make me adjust to it right away :D


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:26 PM

Cheaper and doesn't have a stupid Kinect which I've never wanted

Though I get your point, the Kinect is an inherent part of the xbox one. It is not an addon that you are forced to buy. It's like not buying a wii because it comes with those stupid wiimotes you've never wanted.

Personally I don't get the kinect hate. There's a bunch of cool stuff on kinect, and the new kinect is better in every regard. I'm excited to see how it's used now that developers have a guarantee of it's existence. Not many games were doing the, "enhanced with kinect," approach because it was a lot of work to add for not knowing if you even had the userbase to take advantage of it. I'm excited to see what developers do with it as a secondary support input method in addition to controllers. I'm also excited to see what people are able to do not that it's able to sense some light hand gesture tracking (closed/open/pointing hands).

I've always favored the 360's controller, too. But something tells me it will be fairly easy to readjust to the PS4's layout. tongue.png

The PS4's is far better than the PS3s. The layout change was never an issue for me (aside from button callouts in games like, "press X"), it was just that the controller did not work with my hands.

#18 YodamanJer   Members   -  Reputation: 446

Posted 15 June 2013 - 01:18 PM

Oh, I didn't mean to type layout, I meant design. :P

The PS controllers have always felt a little uncomfortable in my hands, because of the way the handles are shaped. I'm fine with the buttons and analog sticks, it's just the overall design is not as comfortable as the 360 controller. 

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#19 Cromulent   Members   -  Reputation: 388

Posted 15 June 2013 - 11:34 PM

Oh, I didn't mean to type layout, I meant design. tongue.png

The PS controllers have always felt a little uncomfortable in my hands, because of the way the handles are shaped. I'm fine with the buttons and analog sticks, it's just the overall design is not as comfortable as the 360 controller. 

Guess we'll all have to get used to it, though. tongue.png

For me it is the size. The PS controller has always felt too small for my hands.

 

 

 

Cheaper and doesn't have a stupid Kinect which I've never wanted

Though I get your point, the Kinect is an inherent part of the xbox one. It is not an addon that you are forced to buy. It's like not buying a wii because it comes with those stupid wiimotes you've never wanted.

Personally I don't get the kinect hate. There's a bunch of cool stuff on kinect, and the new kinect is better in every regard. I'm excited to see how it's used now that developers have a guarantee of it's existence. Not many games were doing the, "enhanced with kinect," approach because it was a lot of work to add for not knowing if you even had the userbase to take advantage of it. I'm excited to see what developers do with it as a secondary support input method in addition to controllers. I'm also excited to see what people are able to do not that it's able to sense some light hand gesture tracking (closed/open/pointing hands).
I guess the reason I dislike the idea of paying for a Kinect is because I just don't have the room to make use of it. I have my consoles in my study for when I finish working and with my desks and bookshelves I have no room to move around. I have enough room for a chair to sit on and that is about it.

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#20 siri   Members   -  Reputation: 233

Posted 16 June 2013 - 05:59 AM

 

Cheaper and doesn't have a stupid Kinect which I've never wanted


Personally I don't get the kinect hate. There's a bunch of cool stuff on kinect, and the new kinect is better in every regard. I'm excited to see how it's used now that developers have a guarantee of it's existence.

 

 

That's only true of exclusive titles though. Anything cross-platform still has the same problem as before, no ?






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