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# Genetica Indie Pricing

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### #1Carandiru  Members   -  Reputation: 212

Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:40 PM

Hey just wondering if there is an option for Genetica 4.0 Indie Pricing, specifically the Pro version because of the support for normal map generation is pretty much required. Maybe we can rally enough people to convince them to give us a fair price for indie developers!!!

$400 bucks is way too much. Sponsor: ### #2frob Moderators - Reputation: 18988 Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:17 PM If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Or contact them yourself and attempt to negotiate a better deal. Trying to rally the interwebz in an attempt to get somebody to lower their price is not the right way to go. Check out my personal indie blog at bryanwagstaff.com. ### #3Servant of the Lord Crossbones+ - Reputation: 17257 Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:38 PM Yeah, a mob-like demonstration wouldn't be too great of an idea. If I was the Spiral Graphics, it'd feel like a gun is being put to my head and I'd have to either agree, or suffer a PR fallout. It wouldn't be a good working relationship. On the other hand, gathering a group of like-minded individuals to negotiate (privately with Spiral Graphics) a bulk license, appointing a lead negotiator who has the budget to buy the amount of licenses agreed upon, regardless if some of the indie developers back out - I think that would be fine. 20 developers, who each pay$200 ($4000 total), negotiating (through a single negotiator) 20 licenses - that would be nice. Or, finding those 20 other developers (privately, not publicly), and sending a single private email to Spiral Graphics, signed by each of them, with each in the CC line, asking for lower pricing (1/3rd off) for studios making less than$100,000 a year, showing them there is potential profit for them.

The key is, doing it privately. This is more respectful, because then Spiral Graphics won't feel forced into a PR situation that they don't want to be in.

One possible idea for negotiating a lower price for yourself personally, is to offer to display their product on your game's splash-screen in exchange for a discount.

Edited by Servant of the Lord, 14 June 2013 - 05:41 PM.

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### #4Carandiru  Members   -  Reputation: 212

Posted 14 June 2013 - 06:51 PM

Well I don't think it has anything todo with PR or being disrespectful. Neither are we forcing anyone todo anything. This is just giving them the visibility of having a product offer for Genetica Pro at a discounted price for independent developers that make less than $xxx per year. I would love to buy there product but not able to afford it. If they see the visibility of multiple developers on this thread in the same situation they have potential buyers and a lot of sales to gain at a discounted price. Doing it privately is not neccesary, and really defeats the whole purpose. ### #5ranakor Members - Reputation: 439 Posted 14 June 2013 - 07:54 PM The prices already sound very indie friendly to me, except the studio edition which is well, targeted at studios? ### #6LancerSolurus Members - Reputation: 488 Posted 15 June 2013 - 02:07 AM Spend your money on Filter Forge, much better and much cheaper. ****************************************************************************************** Youtube Channel ### #7jbadams Senior Staff - Reputation: 17288 Posted 15 June 2013 - 02:18 AM No offence intended, but I'd have to agree with the above posters -- that pricing is already very indie friendly, and if that's genuinely out of your price range you're probably really a hobbyist rather than a serious indie developer -- and whilst there's absolutely nothing at all wrong with that it means that some software will just never be within your price range. If you can't afford the price then don't use the software or look for a cheaper (or free) alternative instead. Spiral Graphics have to make money too, and both the basic and pro price points are really very affordable as-is; I don't know what pay-conditions are like where you live, but in my area US$399 could be saved up within a week or two at most even with a part time job at a McDonald's restaurant.

"Rallying people together" is not a good approach and is unlikely to be successful.  If you really want to pursue cheaper pricing try some of the suggestions given above, all of which involve contacting the developer privately.

### #8samoth  Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4522

Posted 15 June 2013 - 02:54 AM

As someone who paid the $400 for Genetica Pro, I must say that it's a steep price tag indeed for a private person who only just plays around with it. On the other hand, if you mean to develop a game, this is nothing. If 400 dollars are forbidding, even as indie, you should stop right there. That, and Genetica is probably one of the programs with the best value for money ratio. Except for a few select$5000 programs from Adobe (not outrageous at all, are we!), you hardly find a program that doesn't seriously suck in one way or the other. Genetica, on the other hand, works really nicely for what it's intended.

Contrary to most software that I've paid for in my life, I can definitively say that don't regret paying for Genetica.

### #9Carandiru  Members   -  Reputation: 212

Posted 16 June 2013 - 01:17 PM

Ah ok maybe I'm being to cheap. I'm gonna just save up the money and buy it I think I'm a little passed that I missed out on the 40 percent off sigh.

### #10Servant of the Lord  Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 17257

Posted 16 June 2013 - 02:29 PM

It's not "cheap" to be frugal and try to save money, and it's not "cheap" to consider whether the benefits X provides is actually worth the cost.

If they recently had it 40% off, silently use that information in one-on-one negotiations - it gives you a good estimate at how low they are willing to go. That's a good advantage to have in bartering; I bet you could get 50% or 60% off if you agreed to put their product on your game's splashscreen.

People here aren't saying, "just suck up the cost and stop whining" or "don't try to get a better price.".

We're just recommending you do so in a more respectful and business-appropriate way. In your private dialog with them, you might even mention hobbyist-friendly pricing, such as 'free for non-commercial use' or something similar.

Edited by Servant of the Lord, 16 June 2013 - 02:29 PM.

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### #11samoth  Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4522

Posted 16 June 2013 - 02:56 PM

People here aren't saying, "just suck up the cost and stop whining" or "don't try to get a better price.".

Uh, actually I'm inclined to say exactly that.

It's not at all trivial to write a piece of software like this, with a rich set of functionality, an intuitive UI, and without any serious showstopper bugs.

On the other hand, there are obviously fewer people who would buy a product like Genetica than there are people who would buy, say, Angry Birds. Still the Spiralgraphics guy ("Atlas", whatever his real name is) has to eat and has to pay his bills. That's just what reality is like.

Which means no more and no less than he needs to sell copies, and he needs to sell them a tiny bit more expensive than for $1.99. Of course I prefer getting things cheaper too (who wouldn't!) but in this case, this would in all likelihood mean that it is no longer profitable for the author to spend his time developing/supporting the product. From that point of view, if one wants to profit from the functionality of this excellent product, it is only fair to pay the author's bills. ### #12ranakor Members - Reputation: 439 Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:13 AM People here aren't saying, "just suck up the cost and stop whining" or "don't try to get a better price.". Uh, actually I'm inclined to say exactly that. It's not at all trivial to write a piece of software like this, with a rich set of functionality, an intuitive UI, and without any serious showstopper bugs. On the other hand, there are obviously fewer people who would buy a product like Genetica than there are people who would buy, say, Angry Birds. Still the Spiralgraphics guy ("Atlas", whatever his real name is) has to eat and has to pay his bills. That's just what reality is like. Which means no more and no less than he needs to sell copies, and he needs to sell them a tiny bit more expensive than for$1.99.

Of course I prefer getting things cheaper too (who wouldn't!) but in this case, this would in all likelihood mean that it is no longer profitable for the author to spend his time developing/supporting the product.

From that point of view, if one wants to profit from the functionality of this excellent product, it is only fair to pay the author's bills.

Agreed, i'm currently considering a studio license (i need the very high res support so not considering the other licenses) and found the product through this thread, it's pretty ironic that a thread about the cheapest license not being cheap enough may be getting the guy his most expensive license sold hehe.

### #13latch  Members   -  Reputation: 634

Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:24 PM

This does normal maps:

http://www.crazybump.com/

### #14ranakor  Members   -  Reputation: 439

Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:09 AM

Not sure why this related, genetica isn't particularily about normal maps

### #15samoth  Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4522

Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:54 AM

Also, Genetica generates normal maps with one button click, too (and, at your discretion, any kind of other "effect maps" that you wish, such as height or coverage).

### #16Servant of the Lord  Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 17257

Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:58 AM

Not sure why this related, genetica isn't particularily about normal maps

It was the rationale the OP gave about why he needed to purchase the more expensive version of Genetica.

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### #17ranakor  Members   -  Reputation: 439

Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:06 AM

My bad there, missed that post.

In that case i also recommand bitmap2material which does normal maps & much more.

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