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#1 JustinS   Members   -  Reputation: 214

Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:05 PM

In the last two minutes, my reputation have fallen nearly forty points. It says it's all from one thread, but I looked and not only do the numbers not match up, my reputation kept dropping.

No man is an island,

Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; 
It tolls for thee.

 

-John Donne


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#2 Bacterius   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 11355

Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:32 PM

It appears one member went and downvoted 9 of your posts in this thread in the last hour or so. So this is the reason you lost reputation. I won't disclose who this member is because it isn't my place to, but just letting you know what happened and that the reputation loss isn't a technical glitch.

 

However, note that when it says -3, I believe it's actually -4 unless the downvoter has negative reputation, this hasn't been fixed yet so the numbers displayed in the log don't quite match up (that said, no events are missing). So that would be the bug, and I think it has been reported (maybe a staff member can give an update) smile.png


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#3 Hodgman   Moderators   -  Reputation: 40068

Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:13 PM

I haven't read the thread contents, I just skimmed through the votes.

 

Yes, a particular member went on a down-vote rampage against your posts in that thread, but your posts were also sporadically downvoted by a wide variety of different users.

 

It's not cool for unnamed-user to go on a downvote rampage like that, but going off all the other (seemingly legit) downvotes that you received in that thread, perhaps you were being argumentative or using an unproductive attitude? I've undone just the rampage votes, but try and re-read the thread to find out why so many different people found your posts to be disagreeable.



#4 jbadams   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 23034

Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:23 AM

Just confirming what Bacterius suggested: there is a known issue where reputation changes of + or - 4 points are recorded in the log as + or - 3 points -- this is a display error in the log only, and the system otherwise works as intended as far as changes to rep and in-topic vote-counts go.  It's on the to-do list and we will get to fixing it, but this is relatively low priority.

 

The reputation log is also subject to caching and can have a (usually fairly brief) delay between votes being made in topics and showing up in the log.  We consider this acceptable, and allows the site to remain more responsive in more time-critical areas.

 

Thanks for the report Jeremy!

 

 

I'll also look into the apparent down-vote rampage and have a word with the user in question if appropriate -- we don't enforce particular conditions and restrictions on usage of the system, but we do take action when we notice persistent usage that isn't consistent with the spirit in which it was intended.

 

 

If I might offer a little more unsolicited advice*, you might consider Hodgman's advice of thinking about why numerous users are down-voting your posts.  To me, you sometimes come across as overly defensive and somewhat abrasive, choosing a combative rather than friendly tone.  As a specific example, when someone suggested easing off the hostility you responded by noting that you were "returning fire", but you'll probably find most people would strongly disagree that the original post you were responding to (reply #21) was at all hostile.  For future reference, it's actually you who is mistaken about the commonly used definition of "production value" (additional source, and another).  Whilst I agree it certainly wouldn't be the norm, I also think it's not that unthinkable that an inexperienced group of players might have a turn in table-top D&D stretch out to around an hour -- the combination of possibly having to look up numerous things, being unsure of where to look those things up, having one or more discussions deciding how to interpret those rules, considering multiple unfamiliar options, and some slower maths, perhaps with some interruptions could easily lead to this result.  Turns at my weekly game are usually 1-5 minutes, very occasionally stretching out to 10-15 if we get distracted mid-decision; other people's experiences can easily differ from this, especially if the vast majority of your own experience was with the same group of players.

 

Perhaps start off with the default assumption that people aren't attacking you, and ease off a little on the defensiveness and hostility.  It's possible to have a disagreement without being so abrasive.



#5 JustinS   Members   -  Reputation: 214

Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:59 AM

Not certain, but it appears to still be acting weird. I'm probably wrong, and it's probably nothing, but I learned long ago not to take things at face value and I *hate* surprises.


No man is an island,

Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; 
It tolls for thee.

 

-John Donne


#6 jbadams   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 23034

Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:50 PM

We'll take a careful look and make sure nothing is amiss -- I'll reply again to let you know what's discovered, but I probably won't get to it immediately. smile.png



#7 Hodgman   Moderators   -  Reputation: 40068

Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:47 PM

About another five people read the thread in question, and downvoted various different posts.



#8 Orymus3   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 15234

Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:37 AM

I'll go on record and say I've downvoted (I believe) 3 different replies that were clearly unfit in tone and off topic.

Ramblings and arguments tend to drive conversations off topic, and being the original poster doesn't make you immune to turning an otherwise interesting topic into a mess hall.

There was general misconduct and lack of ethic in your replies, and it turned an otherwise interesting thread into a flame wars, which I particularly never encourage.

I've downvoted these specific posts as a result.

If you have an issue with that, come to me directly, whining on the board about being downvoted is just as mature as pretending you didn't light the fire.


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#9 JustinS   Members   -  Reputation: 214

Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:50 AM

I'll go on record and say I've downvoted (I believe) 3 different replies that were clearly unfit in tone and off topic.

Ramblings and arguments tend to drive conversations off topic, and being the original poster doesn't make you immune to turning an otherwise interesting topic into a mess hall.

There was general misconduct and lack of ethic in your replies, and it turned an otherwise interesting thread into a flame wars, which I particularly never encourage.

I've downvoted these specific posts as a result.

If you have an issue with that, come to me directly, whining on the board about being downvoted is just as mature as pretending you didn't light the fire.

 

I made this post because I suspected either a glitch or a single user abusing the system, and I was RIGHT. I was right, and this was confirmed by multiple moderators. Of course, you missed that part entirely, didn't you? What, were you too busy passing judgement to observe information? Are you so full of yourself that you feel you don't need to read a thread to know what it is about? Or are you so set in your opinion that no amount of evidence to the contrary can possibly sway you?

 

Basically, I'm asking you, personally, what in the FUCK is wrong with you?


Edited by Jeremy Williams, 13 July 2013 - 05:52 AM.

No man is an island,

Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; 
It tolls for thee.

 

-John Donne


#10 slicer4ever   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 4807

Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:15 AM

 

I'll go on record and say I've downvoted (I believe) 3 different replies that were clearly unfit in tone and off topic.

Ramblings and arguments tend to drive conversations off topic, and being the original poster doesn't make you immune to turning an otherwise interesting topic into a mess hall.

There was general misconduct and lack of ethic in your replies, and it turned an otherwise interesting thread into a flame wars, which I particularly never encourage.

I've downvoted these specific posts as a result.

If you have an issue with that, come to me directly, whining on the board about being downvoted is just as mature as pretending you didn't light the fire.

 

I made this post because I suspected either a glitch or a single user abusing the system, and I was RIGHT. I was right, and this was confirmed by multiple moderators. Of course, you missed that part entirely, didn't you? What, were you too busy passing judgement to observe information? Are you so full of yourself that you feel you don't need to read a thread to know what it is about? Or are you so set in your opinion that no amount of evidence to the contrary can possibly sway you?

 

Basically, I'm asking you, personally, what in the FUCK is wrong with you?

 

not going to be making many friends with that attitude.


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#11 rip-off   Moderators   -  Reputation: 9719

Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:25 AM


I made this post because I suspected either a glitch or a single user abusing the system, and I was RIGHT. I was right, and this was confirmed by multiple moderators. Of course, you missed that part entirely, didn't you? What, were you too busy passing judgement to observe information? Are you so full of yourself that you feel you don't need to read a thread to know what it is about? Or are you so set in your opinion that no amount of evidence to the contrary can possibly sway you?

Orymus3 is perfectly entitled to use the reputation system for the purposes which it was designed for. The system is not being abused. I concur with their observations, for what it's worth.

 


Basically, I'm asking you, personally, what in the FUCK is wrong with you?

Calm down, that is an (unofficial) warning.

 

Looking at your behaviour in this and the linked thread, it seems to me that you are going to find yourself removed from the community unless you can tone down some of your more extreme comments. If you disagree with someone, you can state it clearly and calmly in a reasonable manner, do not resort to SHOUTING and personal attacks.



#12 rip-off   Moderators   -  Reputation: 9719

Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:34 AM

Actually, I'm going to lock this thread too, for your own good. It seems to only be drawing further attention to your other thread, and that seems to be just earning further down votes.

 

If you have any other questions or bug/abuse reports about the reputation system, feel free to contact a moderator. I would note that, personally, I would be disinclined to take a sympathetic view of members who are being down voted due to their own aggressive behaviour.



#13 jbadams   Senior Staff   -  Reputation: 23034

Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:41 AM


Not certain, but it appears to still be acting weird.

Just confirming there are no additional problems (other than the known issue of values incorrectly displaying as -3 rather than -4) or apparent abuses of the system -- you've just been down-voted by additional users who apparently objected to some of your behaviour, which is a perfectly valid and intended use of the system.

 

 

For reference, reacting as you did in reply #9 of this very topic is exactly the sort of behaviour people object to, and isn't really an acceptable reaction to someone who chose to volunteer feedback on why he had personally contributed to your falling reputation.  It's perfectly understandable that people (myself among them in a couple of the worst cases) are choosing to down-vote some of your posts given your unfriendly and defensive attitude, and even the user who went on the "down-voting rampage" had only picked out posts where you were reacting questionably.






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