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#1 Jimstyle   Members   -  Reputation: 154

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:56 AM

Dear superhero, 

 

I like game a lot, and i some how i believe i have plenty of idea in my mind and i wish i can create my very own first game, even very basic game will do. 

 

I have no programming background at all, which mean, i know nothing about those code and language. But i willing to learn..

 

So, here come the question, where so i start? What should i learn first? I have no fund to college or Uni to study, all i can do is learn from web.

 

Please advice. 

 

From

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:43 AM

I don't think you can make it without any programming knowledge at all. I mean yeah, you have to understand basic elements to be able to write program by means of simple scripting language like Python.

 

There is like tons of programming courses over the web. If you are not familiar with programming at all I would recommend you Harvard's CS50 course. Make sure to watch all lectures, shorts, problem set explanations and all other videos. You can follow this program and make a simple games as a part of problem sets and final project. Sure you won't have any teachers responses, but if you need that you can absolutely schedule yourself onto next CS50 free course online which comes this january 1st 2014.

 

With this knowledge you will be able to write your first simple games, dive into 3rd party game development tools or just create your own.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:15 AM

Look at Game Maker.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:18 AM

Follow the threads at gamedev.net ... by other beginners and in the general programming and game programming forums.

You'll notice that some topics come up a lot ... those are usually things you might want to look into. Take a look at the questions that other people have and ask yourself if you need to know the same thing.

You don't "just" want to learn how to program, you also want an overview of the big picture to get an idea of what areas there are that you need to look into.

 

There are also a lot of tutorials about getting started in game development. Maybe do a google search and read the "New to the forums? Start here!" thread:

http://www.gamedev.net/topic/641721-new-to-the-forums-start-here/

 

and resources like this one:

http://www.gamefromscratch.com/post/2011/08/04/I-want-to-be-a-game-developer.aspx

 

Something else: summarize your dreams and goals.

Do you want to work for a huge studio?

Do you want to make a fortune with an app?

Do you want to start a team at some point?

What platforms do you want to develop for?

 

When you ask for more specific advice later those things can make a difference.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:15 AM

Dear Guardian of the Earth, 

 

 

Thank you for your comment and contribution! And yeah, i appreciate it! I have download a software named '' RPG Maker VX ACE''. What you think about this software? 

 

 

I don't think you can make it without any programming knowledge at all. I mean yeah, you have to understand basic elements to be able to write program by means of simple scripting language like Python.

 

There is like tons of programming courses over the web. If you are not familiar with programming at all I would recommend you Harvard's CS50 course. Make sure to watch all lectures, shorts, problem set explanations and all other videos. You can follow this program and make a simple games as a part of problem sets and final project. Sure you won't have any teachers responses, but if you need that you can absolutely schedule yourself onto next CS50 free course online which comes this january 1st 2014.

 

With this knowledge you will be able to write your first simple games, dive into 3rd party game development tools or just create your own.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:39 AM

Dear SuperHero! 

 

Noted with thanks, I will look in to in soon. 

 

Fact i have a goal in my mind. I would like to end with a Entertainment Company, come with 3 main department which develop online game (like WOW) , mobile game (something like Angry Bird or Candy Crush) and also mobile apps which targeted social media, business and finance. 

 

Btw, it just an imagination. Too big to achieve. 

 

 

Follow the threads at gamedev.net ... by other beginners and in the general programming and game programming forums.

You'll notice that some topics come up a lot ... those are usually things you might want to look into. Take a look at the questions that other people have and ask yourself if you need to know the same thing.

You don't "just" want to learn how to program, you also want an overview of the big picture to get an idea of what areas there are that you need to look into.

 

There are also a lot of tutorials about getting started in game development. Maybe do a google search and read the "New to the forums? Start here!" thread:

http://www.gamedev.net/topic/641721-new-to-the-forums-start-here/

 

and resources like this one:

http://www.gamefromscratch.com/post/2011/08/04/I-want-to-be-a-game-developer.aspx

 

Something else: summarize your dreams and goals.

Do you want to work for a huge studio?

Do you want to make a fortune with an app?

Do you want to start a team at some point?

What platforms do you want to develop for?

 

When you ask for more specific advice later those things can make a difference.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:50 AM

    As to not repeat what others have been saying, I'll mention Youtube. If you got a fair amount of imagination (which you seem to have, as you're referring to us with roleplaying lingo), you'll be surprised by how much of a cornucopia Youtube can be. I've learned and applied Java, XHTML, Javascript, HTML5 and a range of computer science topics Simply from watching Youtube videos (the right ones, that is). I've also learned about Notepad++, Paint.NET and how to actually draw decent pixel art from the same website.

 

    Youtube is by far the best resource for learning anything, bar none. But it does require some "knack", as there's more then enough garbage on Youtube as well. Try looking on youtube when you already got a rough idea of what you're looking for. Also, books from Amazon shouldn't be ignored either.

 

    tldr; Youtube and Amazon. Check it out! biggrin.png


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:35 AM

If your goal is to be a games designer then concentrate on learning to make games and not learning to program.
 

Game Maker, Construct 2 and Game Salad are all decent packages for creating games with very little programming knowledge.  As you make more games you will end up picking a little programming knowledge along the way.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:12 AM

 

Dear Guardian of the Earth, 

 

 

Thank you for your comment and contribution! And yeah, i appreciate it! I have download a software named '' RPG Maker VX ACE''. What you think about this software? 

 

 

I don't think you can make it without any programming knowledge at all. I mean yeah, you have to understand basic elements to be able to write program by means of simple scripting language like Python.

 

There is like tons of programming courses over the web. If you are not familiar with programming at all I would recommend you Harvard's CS50 course. Make sure to watch all lectures, shorts, problem set explanations and all other videos. You can follow this program and make a simple games as a part of problem sets and final project. Sure you won't have any teachers responses, but if you need that you can absolutely schedule yourself onto next CS50 free course online which comes this january 1st 2014.

 

With this knowledge you will be able to write your first simple games, dive into 3rd party game development tools or just create your own.

 

 

Like I said you won't be able to make decent games without programming knowledge. The tool you provided is just another one of all those tools which is fine to use if you want to level up your game design skills. Yes you will be able to create few games as far as this concrete engine allows you (by spending quite some time to learn it while you could actually put this time into learning some programming/scripting languages and algorithms), but without basic understanding of what is going on behind the scenes you probably won't be able to become good game maker.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:16 AM

Dear superhero, 

 

I like game a lot, and i some how i believe i have plenty of idea in my mind and i wish i can create my very own first game, even very basic game will do. 

 

I have no programming background at all, which mean, i know nothing about those code and language. But i willing to learn..

 

So, here come the question, where so i start? What should i learn first? I have no fund to college or Uni to study, all i can do is learn from web.

 

Please advice. 

 

From

Weak Civilian from Earth. 

 

this would be a very helpfull post here, check up

those lines

 
<canvas id='canvas' width='640' height='480'></canvas>

<script>

var x_pos = 320;
var y_pos = 200;
var width = 640;
var height = 480;

var game_won = false;

var canvas = document.getElementById("canvas").getContext("2d");


function DrawThings()
{
 canvas.fillStyle="#004f00";
 canvas.fillRect(0,0,width,height);

 canvas.fillStyle="#ffffff";
 canvas.fillRect(x_pos,y_pos,10,10);


 canvas.font="22px arial";
 canvas.fillStyle="#ff0000";
 canvas.fillText(" EScape - Grrreat javascript game by fir ",20,20);

 if(game_won)
  {
  canvas.fillStyle="#ffaa00";
  canvas.fillText(" You escaped! :) Congratulations Game Over ",20,70);
  }
 }

function RunGame()
{
if(x_pos<0 || x_pos>width || y_pos<0 || y_pos>height) game_won = true;

DrawThings();

}

document.onkeydown = function()
{
  switch (window.event.keyCode)
  {
   case 37: x_pos-=10; break;
   case 38: y_pos-=10; break;
   case 39: x_pos+=10; break;
   case 40: y_pos+=10; break;
  }
};

setInterval(function(){ RunGame();} , 100);

</script>
 

insert it into text file and rename it as a something.html then 

you could run it in browser, This is quite powerfull and easy

environment to make some games (i wrote it in about half an

hour - it may be somewhat wrong, cause i never ever in my life was doin something html/javascript related, (i am c man), but it is very quick and fine way to start IMO) It is honey easy way to start running something. smile.png


Edited by fir, 28 August 2013 - 06:28 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:40 AM

How is this brilliant Jimstyle guy getting a negative rep? he's just asking honest questions.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:31 AM

How is this brilliant Jimstyle guy getting a negative rep? he's just asking honest questions.

I fixed that ;)


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:12 PM

Hi 

 

well im like you - maybe a bit more knowledge but i know nothing about programming and am not a artist in any form - my advise is decide what type of game you want to perhaps create - what do you enjoy - strategy, mystery, RPG, 2d top view games or 3d games once you know that then you can decide on the program you need to use -- E.G the program you got now is for RPG game making and will be difficult to make other type of games - thats most important the right tool for the job 

Dear superhero, 

 

I like game a lot, and i some how i believe i have plenty of idea in my mind and i wish i can create my very own first game, even very basic game will do. 

 

I have no programming background at all, which mean, i know nothing about those code and language. But i willing to learn..

 

So, here come the question, where so i start? What should i learn first? I have no fund to college or Uni to study, all i can do is learn from web.

 

Please advice. 

 

From

Weak Civilian from Earth. 


Edited by shanevanshane, 28 August 2013 - 02:13 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:36 PM

How is this brilliant Jimstyle guy getting a negative rep? he's just asking honest questions.

 

 

 

How is this brilliant Jimstyle guy getting a negative rep? he's just asking honest questions.

I fixed that ;)

 

 

Dear Savior, 

 

Thank you very much for your help!



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:37 PM

 

Dear superhero, 

 

I like game a lot, and i some how i believe i have plenty of idea in my mind and i wish i can create my very own first game, even very basic game will do. 

 

I have no programming background at all, which mean, i know nothing about those code and language. But i willing to learn..

 

So, here come the question, where so i start? What should i learn first? I have no fund to college or Uni to study, all i can do is learn from web.

 

Please advice. 

 

From

Weak Civilian from Earth. 

 

this would be a very helpfull post here, check up

those lines

 
<canvas id='canvas' width='640' height='480'></canvas>

<script>

var x_pos = 320;
var y_pos = 200;
var width = 640;
var height = 480;

var game_won = false;

var canvas = document.getElementById("canvas").getContext("2d");


function DrawThings()
{
 canvas.fillStyle="#004f00";
 canvas.fillRect(0,0,width,height);

 canvas.fillStyle="#ffffff";
 canvas.fillRect(x_pos,y_pos,10,10);


 canvas.font="22px arial";
 canvas.fillStyle="#ff0000";
 canvas.fillText(" EScape - Grrreat javascript game by fir ",20,20);

 if(game_won)
  {
  canvas.fillStyle="#ffaa00";
  canvas.fillText(" You escaped! :) Congratulations Game Over ",20,70);
  }
 }

function RunGame()
{
if(x_pos<0 || x_pos>width || y_pos<0 || y_pos>height) game_won = true;

DrawThings();

}

document.onkeydown = function()
{
  switch (window.event.keyCode)
  {
   case 37: x_pos-=10; break;
   case 38: y_pos-=10; break;
   case 39: x_pos+=10; break;
   case 40: y_pos+=10; break;
  }
};

setInterval(function(){ RunGame();} , 100);

</script>
 

insert it into text file and rename it as a something.html then 

you could run it in browser, This is quite powerfull and easy

environment to make some games (i wrote it in about half an

hour - it may be somewhat wrong, cause i never ever in my life was doin something html/javascript related, (i am c man), but it is very quick and fine way to start IMO) It is honey easy way to start running something. smile.png

 

 

Thank you Professor X, 

 

But these thing.. he may know me, but i don't know none of them at all.. LOL. 



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:39 PM

 

Hi 

 

well im like you - maybe a bit more knowledge but i know nothing about programming and am not a artist in any form - my advise is decide what type of game you want to perhaps create - what do you enjoy - strategy, mystery, RPG, 2d top view games or 3d games once you know that then you can decide on the program you need to use -- E.G the program you got now is for RPG game making and will be difficult to make other type of games - thats most important the right tool for the job 

Dear superhero, 

 

I like game a lot, and i some how i believe i have plenty of idea in my mind and i wish i can create my very own first game, even very basic game will do. 

 

I have no programming background at all, which mean, i know nothing about those code and language. But i willing to learn..

 

So, here come the question, where so i start? What should i learn first? I have no fund to college or Uni to study, all i can do is learn from web.

 

Please advice. 

 

From

Weak Civilian from Earth. 

 

 

 

Yeah, RPG MAKER is mainly for RPG, it's also a short cut for those newbie. I have heard about C++ and others, but before i go to those, better i learn programming first



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:40 PM

 

 

Dear Guardian of the Earth, 

 

 

Thank you for your comment and contribution! And yeah, i appreciate it! I have download a software named '' RPG Maker VX ACE''. What you think about this software? 

 

 

I don't think you can make it without any programming knowledge at all. I mean yeah, you have to understand basic elements to be able to write program by means of simple scripting language like Python.

 

There is like tons of programming courses over the web. If you are not familiar with programming at all I would recommend you Harvard's CS50 course. Make sure to watch all lectures, shorts, problem set explanations and all other videos. You can follow this program and make a simple games as a part of problem sets and final project. Sure you won't have any teachers responses, but if you need that you can absolutely schedule yourself onto next CS50 free course online which comes this january 1st 2014.

 

With this knowledge you will be able to write your first simple games, dive into 3rd party game development tools or just create your own.

 

 

Like I said you won't be able to make decent games without programming knowledge. The tool you provided is just another one of all those tools which is fine to use if you want to level up your game design skills. Yes you will be able to create few games as far as this concrete engine allows you (by spending quite some time to learn it while you could actually put this time into learning some programming/scripting languages and algorithms), but without basic understanding of what is going on behind the scenes you probably won't be able to become good game maker.

 

 

Very truth



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:49 PM

 

 

Dear Guardian of the Earth, 

 

 

Thank you for your comment and contribution! And yeah, i appreciate it! I have download a software named '' RPG Maker VX ACE''. What you think about this software? 

 

 

I don't think you can make it without any programming knowledge at all. I mean yeah, you have to understand basic elements to be able to write program by means of simple scripting language like Python.

 

There is like tons of programming courses over the web. If you are not familiar with programming at all I would recommend you Harvard's CS50 course. Make sure to watch all lectures, shorts, problem set explanations and all other videos. You can follow this program and make a simple games as a part of problem sets and final project. Sure you won't have any teachers responses, but if you need that you can absolutely schedule yourself onto next CS50 free course online which comes this january 1st 2014.

 

With this knowledge you will be able to write your first simple games, dive into 3rd party game development tools or just create your own.

 

 

Like I said you won't be able to make decent games without programming knowledge. The tool you provided is just another one of all those tools which is fine to use if you want to level up your game design skills. Yes you will be able to create few games as far as this concrete engine allows you (by spending quite some time to learn it while you could actually put this time into learning some programming/scripting languages and algorithms), but without basic understanding of what is going on behind the scenes you probably won't be able to become good game maker.

 

Mr President, 

 

i have now start with CS50.tv.. seriously... i learn course from Harvard Lecturer for FREE? Unbelievable. 



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:58 AM

You can take a look at coursera.org. There are many courses in different categories. Many of them with community interaction and many which give you a certificate if you perform well.

 

I can also recommend a book about rapid skill acquisition: first20hours.com

It teaches you how to learn something efficiently ... and there are quite a few examples.

One of them is about very simple web programming. The author didn't have any programming experience either and used his approach get started right away.

The problem with the very academic courses is that you are likely to postpone actually programming something. Ideally you should do both.

 

Fact i have a goal in my mind. I would like to end with a Entertainment Company, come with 3 main department which develop online game (like WOW) , mobile game (something like Angry Bird or Candy Crush) and also mobile apps which targeted social media, business and finance.

"End with" as in

  • you want to be hired by such a company
  • or start a company like that?

Both can be accomplished if you are diligent, motivated and play your cards right.

 

If you create an open source project and get a lot of fans you can get noticed (and eventually hired).

If you use a lean startup approach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_Startup) to start a business you might end up with a simple mobile blockbuster game and hire people for the MMO games.


Edited by DareDeveloper, 29 August 2013 - 11:28 AM.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:44 AM

I'll probably be cursed by some, negatived by others, but well, who cares?

 

My game making experience started with nothing more than Warcraft 3's map editor and RPG Maker XP.

It surely gave me a stronger background when I started programming, and I recommend using game making tools for any absolute beginners.

 

You can use them for a couple of months, even a little more, for the time necessary, until you think you have a slightly better understanding of how a game works.

 

There's RPG Maker VX Ace (To The Moon was made on an earlier version of RPG Maker)

Also Game Maker Studio (Hotline Miami was made with this software, afaik)

Stencyl, easy and free (don't know any games since most of them are web and/or mobile and I never play those).

Better yet, visit this link here:http://www.pixelprospector.com/the-big-list-of-game-making-tools/

 

After you make a game with one of these (or if you get bored with them, what happens with a lot of people) you can dive into programming using the good old C++, going with a more script approach with Python or try your luck in C# or HTML5. There's also a possibility of using some special languages like Haxe, Torque2D and similar.

 

Also, read the post right above, it seems more reasonable than mine.


Edited by dejaime, 29 August 2013 - 10:50 AM.





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