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Poll: Slay or Kill (7 member(s) have cast votes)

What sounds better?

  1. "Dig Steal Slay"; [DiSS/DSS] (1 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. "Dig Steal Kill"; [DiSK/DSK] (1 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  3. "Dig Slay Steal"; [DiSS/DSS] (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. "Dig Kill Steal"; [DiKS/DKS] (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. "Steal-n-Kill"; (3 votes [42.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  6. "Dig-n-Kill"? (2 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

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#1 Javaec   Members   -  Reputation: 118

Posted 03 November 2013 - 05:10 AM

Hi friends.
My native language is not English. Help solve the problem with the name of the game.
Please explain the difference between these words and tell me which one is best to use the name of online PvP game. Players will fight with swords.

Generally, this voxel game with the ability to dig. Well, you understand, the game is the successor of Mc.

Which is better: 
"Dig Steal Slay"; [DiSS/DSS]
"Dig Steal Kill"; [DiSK/DSK]
"Dig Slay Steal"; [DiSS/DSS]
"Dig Kill Steal"; [DiKS/DKS]
"Steal-n-Kill";
"Dig-n-Kill"?

 

Pay attention to the abbreviated name - it is also important.



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#2 Hodgman   Moderators   -  Reputation: 40943

Posted 03 November 2013 - 05:25 AM

Slay and kill are basically the same, but "slay" is more explicit and violent. To slay someone is to kill them in a battle, or kill them violently, or to kill people in great numbers.

 

Diss is slang for "insult" -- "He diss'ed me" means "he disrespected me" / "he insulted me".

Disk is a round object, or a DVD/CD/hard drive.

Diks is like dicks/penis... 

 

DSS/DSK/DKS are meaningless (unless you add a vowel into them, like the "i" above).



#3 Javaec   Members   -  Reputation: 118

Posted 03 November 2013 - 05:32 AM

Slay and kill are basically the same, but "slay" is more explicit and violent. To slay someone is to kill them in a battle, or kill them violently, or to kill people in great numbers.

Thanks for the reply. So what better name?



#4 wintertime   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3054

Posted 03 November 2013 - 05:34 AM

Maybe you should rethink your game idea. There are probably a million people thinking they can simply copy Minecraft and people were interested in that, but if its just a clone where the programmer is not even able to choose a good name him/herself people wont play it. You need something different to make people interested.

There is a good link: http://rampantgames.com/blog/?p=6609. Also take a look at the other linked story there.


Edited by wintertime, 03 November 2013 - 05:43 AM.


#5 Javaec   Members   -  Reputation: 118

Posted 03 November 2013 - 05:41 AM

Maybe you should rethink your game idea.

Programmer - the creator of the game logic. Game logic is not tied to the language or nationality. And I'm not starting a project with inventing the name / drawing gui or arts. Code written for half a year, the project is in the alpha version and is ready to be shown to the public.
 
 
I will have to your suggestion about changing direction, but please tell me what name you think is best?


#6 wintertime   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3054

Posted 03 November 2013 - 05:52 AM

None of them feels appealing to me, its just a list of verbs and a name is a noun. I would more likely think of something made with RPG-Maker when seeing it and not a Minecraft clone.



#7 FuzzyRhombus   Members   -  Reputation: 773

Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:44 AM

None of them feels appealing to me, its just a list of verbs and a name is a noun.

I have to agree. All very generic sounding to me. I would try to come up with a better label overall. However if it MUST contain kill/slay, I vote for slay. Sounds less vague and thoughtless (though they are very similar); plus slay just slides off the tongue better.

 

I'm not very good at coming up with names either though, so I can't really help you furthersad.png



#8 L. Spiro   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 20921

Posted 03 November 2013 - 03:10 PM

“Slay” often has an implicit relationship with swords due to fictional medieval times in which dragons were slain by knights wielding swords.  You don’t really slay a dragon with anything else.

 

But in more modern times, samurai do not “slay” their enemies via katana, they “strike them down”.

 

When it comes to “kill” vs. “slay”, it depends on the period in which your game takes place and possibly cultural factors, though “kill” never wins against “slay” in regards to swords.  “Strike”, “Slash”, and “Jab” are other potentials but none implicitly indicate death, and some can refer to knives or other sharp objects besides swords.

 

Also, it is not clear what you mean by “Steal”.

“Steal” is mainly a verb meaning to take something without permission.

“Steel” is a type of metal used to create swords.

 

If you still want to refer to swords, it’s “Steel”.

 

 

L. Spiro


Edited by L. Spiro, 03 November 2013 - 03:13 PM.


#9 Javaec   Members   -  Reputation: 118

Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:06 PM

“Slay” often has an implicit relationship with swords due to fictional medieval times in which dragons were slain by knights wielding swords.  You don’t really slay a dragon with anything else.

 

Thanks for the reply.
Of course, I'm not so illiterate to confuse steel and steal.
 
And I have studied examples of the use of these similar words (kill and slay) in different contexts. But to me it is very important to evaluate not only the names of the meaning, but also in sound and spelling.
 
Is it better to read in large letters: Dig Steal Kill or Dig Steal Slay?
 
Or as it is more convenient to say to a friend:
"Let's go play in DSK"
"Let's go play in DSS"
"Let's go play in DiSK"
"Let's go play in DiSS"
 
For example, all of my friends pronounce, Counter Strike (ˈkaʊn.tər straɪk) as: CS [kaʊ es] !! not [siː es]

Edited by Javaec, 03 November 2013 - 08:13 PM.


#10 TheChubu   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 6812

Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:35 PM

"War" or "military kinetic action" ?


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#11 Javaec   Members   -  Reputation: 118

Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:46 PM

"War" or "military kinetic action" ?

Of course the "war" is better. But in this case, the difference is clear even to me.
But in the case of kill/slay I do not understand deep difference (especially in the comfort of sound), even though you may be evident. That's why I'm here.


#12 Hodgman   Moderators   -  Reputation: 40943

Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:30 PM

Neither Dig Steal Kill or Dig Steal Slay rolls of the tongue, because of the short words and pauses.

Try and say them five times, fast:

Dig Steal Kill Dig still kll dig sill kh... 

Dig steal slay dig slteel say sdig...

Counter-strike / Call of Duty / Minecraft / etc are all much easier to say. They "flow" better, so you don't get tongue-tied trying to say them fast.

 

Battlefield on the other hand is another one that is a bit awkward to say a lot, so my friends call it BF.

Battlefield batterfield batterfull baffle...

 

Because they're awkward phrases to say, people won't say them, they'll use the abbreviations instead.

 

Out of the abbreviations, Diss is better than Disk, because it's already a slang word for "to insult", where as disk is a word for a round thing.

Out of: "Hey wanna play insults?" and "Hey, wanna play with round things?", to me the insult-game sounds more fun than the round-thing-game laugh.png

 

Personally, I'd try to come up with a name with a noun in it and an adjective or adverb, instead of a bunch of verbs thrown together.

Digger killers. Shovel Slayers. Sandpit swordfight. Dirt wars. Thief Killers. Muddy fortress. Dwarvern heist. Miner wars (that's already a game tongue.png). Six feet blunder.

 

Cow-ess for counter strike? I haven't heard that one before, but it makes sense I guess biggrin.png My friends call it see-ess.


Edited by Hodgman, 03 November 2013 - 09:35 PM.


#13 tychon   Members   -  Reputation: 652

Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:20 PM

Random ideas off the top:

  • Miner's Might
  • Squared-Off
  • Marching Cubes of War
  • 6-Sided Slaughter
  • Shovel Force
  • Dig, Dominate (Dig2Dominate? Dig, Destroy, Dominate [3D]? Though such names aren't really... comfortable.)
  • WarCube
  • Voxhell
  • Brine (Some sort of reference to Herobrine is an amusing anti-hero tie-in to Minecraft that fits with a PvP focus.)

I liked Six Feet Blunder.



#14 Bacterius   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 11540

Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:39 AM

Out of all the poll options I prefer "dig n kill", but I agree there is probably room for improvement. I like tychon's "six sided slaughter" very much, though the game would have to really revolve around the cubic aspect of voxels for it to be relevant. Marching cubes of war is probably too esoteric though tongue.png


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#15 LennyLen   GDNet+   -  Reputation: 4921

Posted 04 November 2013 - 02:51 AM

Clods of War? :D



#16 cadjunkie   Members   -  Reputation: 1575

Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:12 AM

"Dig-n-Kill" sound like you're a gravedigger doing things out of order. "Steal-n-Kill" sounds like you're mindlessly stealing and killing with no thinking or reasoning involved. IMO, you can't just string together a bunch of functions that you do in the game to make a name. "Minecraft" gets away with it because it's not a real word, it rolls off the tongue easily, and it gives you the general idea of the game. You have to try to figure out how to best describe the general idea of your game and at the same time, entice people to play it. Sometimes you don't even have to describe what kind of game it is. "Halo" doesn't tell you anything about how the game is played, but it's short, sounds cool and it's easy to say. "Call of Duty" and "Counter-Strike" generate images of soldiers, war, and military action. IMO, the name sells the game before anyone even plays it.

 

As a side note, you can't really generate a nickname for the game. People will call it what they want. Even on this thread we have 2 different nicknames for Counter-Strike. It's good that you're thinking about it because it might help generate a good name for your game, but don't count on people using your nickname.



#17 BGB   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1558

Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:47 PM

a person could always make an FPS and call it "Imma Kill'n Foos, Wit Mah Gatt"...

then have it set in WWII or something.

 

or, maybe "One Man Army" in reference to the gameplay.

or "Gatt Attack" or "Guns A Shootn" or similar, basically, describing what happens in game.

 

note: these are deliberately bad names.

 

 

no good suggestions though.

 

I also have a game with a Minecraft-like world structure (and FPS gameplay), but currently it is formally named "Metalloid", but I end up more often referring to it by the name I am using for the engine ("BGBTech"), which has indirectly been used also for referring to the project development in general (basically just me by myself), and to some related technologies (some audio/video compression formats and video processing tools and similar, used some for assets and asset-creation stuff, ...).

 

but, at the moment, it is more of a "no one cares anyways" situation.

(seems all sometimes like a big pile of uselessness and suck...).



#18 tychon   Members   -  Reputation: 652

Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:22 PM


Marching cubes of war is probably too esoteric though

 

Pfft.



#19 Moe091   Members   -  Reputation: 594

Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:01 PM

Simple answer - Dig Steal Slay. that sounds best and "Let's play some DSS" sounds best.

 

Everyone else already covered all the other points






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