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#1 proj3ct   Members   -  Reputation: 107

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 02:10 AM

Hello there,
I am completely new to game development, although I used to code with VB(I know that has nothing to do with game dev). Anyway, I am very keen on the idea of making a 2D isometric based city game for andriod. I have searched for other questions similar to mine but all the answers seem to be for those with basic coding exp and I pretty much have none with c++, JAVA or html 5. So could anyone give a quick, simple step by step on where to start i.e software, ideal coding language or even links to good but simple tuts. I know this will be a heafty project for someone with no experience within game dev but i have alot of free time on my hands here and very keen to dig in.

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 02:51 AM

Html is the easiest language there.
*edit* Java for android

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 02:51 AM

*edit* really sorry, i didn't see the android part

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 03:41 AM

The obvious language choice for Android development is Java, since that's the intended language for development.  You can use the NDK with C++ (and other languages if you know them and don't want to learn Java) but there are far more choices if you stick with Java.

 

The best place to start is Google's Android Developer site. There you can download the SDK and the ADT plugin for Eclipse (which I've always had most success with for Java development, but NetBeans is also recommended).

 

You might also want to look into libgdx which is a cross platform Java game library that can be used to produce games for Android, iOS, Desktop and HTML5 applications.

 

 

Html is the easiest language there. If you want to use c++, get the jumping into c++ book, the cplusplus.com pdf and any more recent book. I usually see c++ primer.

 

 

. . . and download visual c++ or code::blocks.

 

You still need to learn how to read the questions you are attempting to answer.  The OP wants to develop for Android and has basically no experience in programming.  C++ is an extremely poor language choice under those circumstances.  Visual C++ and Code::Blocks are both also poor IDEs to use for Android development.



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 03:55 AM

Hi 

 

I recommend not to use C++. you can try why the hell not.

I recommend to use C# or any high level programming language.

You can also use Game Engines like Unity3D to create a mobile game for Windows Phone/iOS/Android.

And you can create a game for Mobile and Web by using AS3 or Haxe only Haxe is more powerfull.

 

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 03:56 AM


Html is the easiest language

 

wow i really deny that try and make a Valid HTML page :P



#7 Nathan2222_old   Members   -  Reputation: -400

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 04:06 AM

Html is the easiest language


wow i really deny that try and make a Valid HTML page :P
Html was the first language i learnt (under 3 weeks). I didn't go really deep but i can make a html page (with seo) :P .

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 04:11 AM

There is a very similar post sitting right next to yours on the forum. I responded to that one before noticing this one, but the answer applies equally well.  Go read it.


Check out my book, Game Development with Unity, aimed at beginners who want to build fun games fast.

Also check out my personal website at bryanwagstaff.com, where I write about assorted stuff.


#9 proj3ct   Members   -  Reputation: 107

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 09:55 AM

Thanks for all your replies everyone. Okie dokie, I think I'll give java a look and I downloaded Unity a couple of days ago and heck, I had no idea what to do with it...I'll defiantly give it a more in-depth look though. Whats really bugging my mind is how to actually create the 2.5D isometric map(like tiles or blocks). I have seen and read that adjusting the main camera in Unity to certain angles (30, 45 i think) gives the illusion, but when I attempted it somehow it wasn't same as guided. For some reason  I really want to get this off my chest before I dive into anything else really.



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:32 AM

Whats really bugging my mind is how to actually create the 2.5D isometric map(like tiles or blocks)

 

 

I've recently been playing around with isometric. I have been rendering the scenes in 2D, and using individual tiles, placing them correctly to give the illusion of 3D:

isoLandDemo.gif


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#11 proj3ct   Members   -  Reputation: 107

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

That looks really good man..it's exactly what I am aiming for, artwork wise too. Could you give us some head starters on how you managed to get yours? Much appreciated.


Edited by proj3ct, 18 February 2014 - 10:45 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 11:04 AM

I'm not much of an artist, I just followed this tutorial on drawing pixel art cube. I scaled it down a bit, and then just played around with adding designs and different colors to different sides of the cubes. That image was just made by copy-pasting a bunch of the cubes into a photoshop file, and arranging them.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 11:23 AM

Sweet, cheers for the link man. But how would you go from artwork to, lets say, Unity(Code wise)? Do you perhaps still have the link to the website you learnt it from or any brief step?



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 11:34 AM

Android ADT/Android studios is the best way to start developing on Android (and yes, unfortunately there aren't better tools). I never tried Unity for Android, but when you'll become able to use it, you should give it a try to forgot official Android dev tools pains (my favourite is the random "stack heap collision exception" of the ADT adding library to the project, but I have to admit that the emulator is funny too).

 

 

 

Html is the easiest language


wow i really deny that try and make a Valid HTML page tongue.png
Html was the first language i learnt (under 3 weeks). I didn't go really deep but i can make a html page (with seo) tongue.png .

 

 

HTML is a markup language (HTML stays for "HyperText Markup Language"), so you probably mean HTML + Javascript + somthing for gfx (ie: canvas or webgl). The problem with html games is that every browser (and every version of a browser) do whatever they want with the HTML and related "standards", so developing games for web browsers is a true pain in most scenarios. This is also the reason Flash is often preferred to html and co.


Edited by Alessio1989, 18 February 2014 - 11:39 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 03:41 PM


So could anyone give a quick, simple step by step on where to start i.e software, ideal coding language or even links to good but simple tuts. I know this will be a heafty project for someone with no experience within game dev but i have alot of free time on my hands here and very keen to dig in.

 

I've written two such guides.  One for getting started from a developer perspective, the second from an art perspective.  Combined, it should cover basically everything you need to get going.  A few things have changed since the first was written ( XNA is no longer supported, SLick2D is basically dead, Lua is a bit more popular, C++11 is out ), but nothing really earth shattering.  Both are pretty long reads, but then, it's not exactly a trivial subject, especially for someone new to it all.


Edited by Serapth, 18 February 2014 - 03:41 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 02:16 PM

When I see the words '2D' and 'not a programmer' my mind jumps straight to GameMaker.

may be worth a look.






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