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#1 Spikes1471   Members   -  Reputation: 121

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:56 PM

So I making Side-Scroller game. I need advice on pricing. How much? $1 any good for a IOS (possibly even AD)?

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#2 LorenzoGatti   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2512

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 03:28 AM

It depends on the market. A honest comparison with other games of similar type and quality will provide reference prices. 


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#3 Eck   Members   -  Reputation: 1712

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:04 AM

We'd need a heck of a lot more information than just "a Side-Scroller game". Do what LorenzoGatti said.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:39 AM

Never do 1$ ! Do 0.99$ :P

but seriously, alsways use those .99's because people will usually calculate the cost rounding down, and will with higher chance buy your game.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:57 AM

Never do 1$ ! Do 0.99$ tongue.png

but seriously, alsways use those .99's because people will usually calculate the cost rounding down, and will with higher chance buy your game.

 

$1.99 is better then :)


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#6 Ravyne   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 6765

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:03 PM

The frank answer is that on iOS, essentially no software is "sold" for a cover price these days. Any price at all is too much friction for people to overcome when deciding to try out your game -- If you can't get over the hump of people wanting to try it out, then you have no downloads, if you have no downloads, you'll never make it to a top-apps list, if you don't make it to a top-apps list, then no one will ever hear about your game. That's why essentially all iOS software today, games especially, are given away for free and the developers make money by selling extra content, hocking various micro-transaction schemes, or advertising, to people who have already downloaded the game. Basically, the model is to give away the razor in order to sell the blades.

 

Unfortunately, as you can see in the games that are popular on the marketplace today, it can be very hard to monetize just any game with post-purchase transactions. Something like a run-and-jump scroller would be quite difficult to monetize effectively through micro transactions (which are generally the most lucrative of the reasonable monetization strategies). You could give away the first "episode" of your stroller for free, and then charge $0.99 for the rest of the game's episodes (This is the same shareware strategy that buit iD software, with Wolfenstien 3D and Doom), its hard to pull off though, because the part you give away has to be good enough to make your players be willing to pay for more, and then the stuff you sell them has to be good enough for them to be happy about their purchase. You can generally shoe-horn advertising into any kind of game, but its also generally the least lucrative of all options, unless your game is a viral hit like Flappy Bird was. Sometimes, people give away the whole game for free with advertising, and then charge $0.99 to remove advertising from the game, but I don't know how effective this is.

 

If your goal is to make real money (as opposed to making pizza-money from your hobby), then you need to design your game to monetize in some way. If it were me trying to monetize an iOS side-scroller, then I would do a combination of downloadable content (The Doom shareware model), and some kind of micro-transactions to enhance the game -- perhaps you could sell different characters that play differently, or selling extra inventory slots (something like how Super Mario World let you keep one power-up in reserve), or maybe enabling extra secret areas or more-frequent checkpoints. If there's no competitive aspect to your game, you're pretty free in the kinds of 'convenience' items you can sell, because you don't have to worry about breaking multi-player balance by letting people buy their way to winning.



#7 minibutmany   Members   -  Reputation: 1478

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:42 PM

You could make the app free and put ads in it.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 11:11 PM

I very much dislike the way the industry has been moving to all Free to Play and micro transactions in the background.

 

Consumers are really shooting themselves in the foot by pushing developers into doing this.

 

It makes the developers focus on how to get money from you all over the place, rather than focusing on great content and playability. I am talking about MMOs of course, but the same applies to APPs.

 

We will soon be releasing a game for Windows Phone 8, Win 8 store, Win RT, Iphones/ipads, and Android Phones/tablets. And with all the games out there that are similar to our game, and are free, we have had no other choice than to make it free, and build micro-transactions into it.

 

It is not the way i wish it would have gone, i would have rather made it $0.99 or $1.99 and have no micro transactions, but now, our team has to spend time, figuring out ways to monetize a free game.

 

it is all a lie, but sadly that's the way the market has somewhat been moving.

 

We are also building an MMO, in this case, we are not going to let all those free to play MMOs out there push us around. We are going with a free mode which has great limitations, and you get to play the real thing with a $12/month subscription.

 

With no micro transactions.

 

/stopping rant

 

I would recommend you look at what other games are similar to yours and what they are doing, and figure out how to improve the monetizing model if possible.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 01:00 PM

Just to maybe bring this back around, its absolutely true basically everyone is forced into a freemium, micro-transaction, or advertising-based revenue model. In large part for the reasons I mentioned, but also in large part because of Android (which suffers the same visibility/over-saturation problems as iOS), where side-loading cracked applications (piracy) is too easy and common for devs to make money on an initial sale of an app on that platform -- To make money on android, you can't expect to make money on the initial sale, to make money post-sale, you need to design your game around that, and if your game is cross-platform to iOS and elsewhere, then your app monetizes the same way everywhere. Unfortunately, its simply the way that the herd is moving, and when the herd really gets moving you've got no real choice, in this instance, but to go along or just get trampled underfoot.

 

With that being said, the vast majority of the herd is the absolute last place I'd look for inspiration on how to execute freemium models or micro-transactions well. Sadly, there are far fewer companies and games that do freemium well, than there are who make enough money at it to keep the lights on. Many games are designed around exploitative mechanics which 'force' users to make frequent purchases of consumable goods to continue competing or progressing, others exploit the kind of flaws you find in those who have gambling addictions. You cannot absolve the player from their part in playing the willing victim, but still those kinds of monetizations aren't especially good for players or the industry. There are those few who do it well, who offer value for money and where purchases and traded virtual goods enhance the play experience for everyone, rather than simply buying a shortcut or unfair advantage (Some of the popular MOBAs are good at this).

 

The point I'm pushing at is that just because we are unfortunately pushed into a model that's not based on the initial sale, doesn't' necessarily mean that we have to stoop to exploitative mechanics or pervert our core gameplay in support of that. You can, in fact, design a freemium game in which your players are perfectly happy to participate in your ecosystem, and to receive good value for doing so.

 

Valve gave a really great talk at Steam Dev Days last month, entitled In-Game Economies in Team Fortress 2 and Dota 2 which I would highly recommend you to watch if you're interested in how to design freemium games that players love to participate in economically.

 

Speaking of Steam, if you really can't imagine your side-scroller as a freemium title of any kind (or DLC or Ad-supported), then perhaps the answer is that its not a good fit for the iOS or Android ecosystems. Steam, and to a lesser extent the Windows Store or other online storefronts for PC games, is one of the last bastions of the sticker-price model that is ubiquitous and accessible. 



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 02:26 PM


Valve gave a really great talk at Steam Dev Days last month, entitled In-Game Economies in Team Fortress 2 and Dota 2 which I would highly recommend you to watch if you're interested in how to design freemium games that players love to participate in economically.
 
Speaking of Steam, if you really can't imagine your side-scroller as a freemium title of any kind (or DLC or Ad-supported), then perhaps the answer is that its not a good fit for the iOS or Android ecosystems. Steam, and to a lesser extent the Windows Store or other online storefronts for PC games, is one of the last bastions of the sticker-price model that is ubiquitous and accessible. 

There are some mobile games that do offer the "unlock everything for full sticker price" option.

 

I played one last year, a space shooter, where you could open all the worlds and premium trade items for $25. Since I had already played about 3 hours and was certain I was going to invest quite a few more hours, so I paid the full cost rather than a slightly more expensive nickle-and-dime scenario for individual unlocks. I ended up playing the game almost exclusively for around 3 months before tiring of it, so for me it was a great entertainment value.

 

Sure, some games have insane unlocks and expensive "buy some of everything" IAP options to extract money, but others are much more like the traditional game model. I try to support the latter, and make it a point to thank developers for offering that option when I see it in a game.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 05:38 PM

Perfectly agreed frob :)

 

There are games out there with this kind of model -- I'd say this is more DLC + Bundle than Freemium. I just wanted to make the point that most peole think of the bad kind of freemium when they think about games that don't charge a cover price, and rightly have a knee-jerk reaction over it. There's so many good options to explore and find what's right for your game, I would hope that the OP can embrace that, rather than hanging up his hat early because he's convinced that having a sticker price is the only way to stay "pure" as a game developer.

 

I've seen this unfortunate reaction in other ways -- for example, when an indie game developer gives into having a DLC or freemium-supported title, but feels bad about it and decides that the way out of the moral quandary they've put themselves in is to make sure the game can be completed without ever having paid a thing, if the player want's to grind enough. To that I say BULLSHIT -- we've all gotta eat and keep the lights on, so get creative and find a way to make money that fits with your game and that you feel good about, and don't be afraid to say no to the naysayers who say your game has to work in a certain way so that they can grind it out for free.

 

Go build the game where half-or-more of your 10k players are spending a buck or two a month, rather than the game where half your revenue comes from 2% of your players, and 90% never spend a dime -- the former is a market that's largely under-served. 



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 01:46 PM

 

Go build the game where half-or-more of your 10k players are spending a buck or two a month, rather than the game where half your revenue comes from 2% of your players, and 90% never spend a dime -- the former is a market that's largely under-served. 

 

I agree with you, we are building an MMO (it hasn't been announced yet) that will allow certain free play, but if you like the game you really have to signup for the subscription model. Kinda like they used to do back in the shareware days.

 

A huge amount of effort goes into what we are doing now, and what we will have to do once the game goes live, so there is no way we can give it away for free. We currently have a plan where we want guarantee the game's life for at least 10 years.






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