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#1 rAm_y_   Members   -  Reputation: 519

Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:19 PM

Sounds a strange question?

 

I am not really a gamer at all anymore, haven't been for years, I still play Wolf:ET when I can and have done since about 2005, but that's partly a community aspect, it's the same server and people for the last 9 years. I really just find myself checking out trailers and tech demos. I used to be when I was younger however, and now that I have got into the programming and theory I will never see a game the same again. I am however much more interested in making games, I see it more like making a movie than a game, an interactive movie. 

 

It's hard keeping up though with what is happening in the game world, there are only so many hours in the day and not enough to be actually checking out what is going on, never mind the costs of it all, so I am really out of touch with actual gameplay but I still have plenty of ideas the kind of game I would like to make.

 

So how about you guys, do you still buy and play games regularly?



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#2 Tutorial Doctor   Members   -  Reputation: 1881

Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:56 PM

I know what you mean. What people expect from games has somewhat changed. I have a bunch of posts on my research on this topic. I made a recent post called FlashBack Games. Gave me that old feeling again, when games used to be an enjoyable pastime. 

 

Games are a social outlet. But I my first issue with the way games were going is that they were pushing the socializing to the internet. So, you are not in the same room with the people you are playing against. I think this destroys the social part a little. And so Microsoft and Sony are trying to make up for the part they are missing by connecting you more over the internet. So now you can see people and talk to them more. Still they are not in the same room as you are. So now you have Project Morpheus, which tries to make up for it even more. 

 

The feeling this gives me is the feeling I get about the Reality Distortion Field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

 

Games used to be more fun (not hours of cursing and swearing because some guy keeps getting head shots on you). And games used to be a way for people to spend time together, and hangout. But the internet and this digital personality avatar anti-social socialization has split up people more than anything.

 

My mom texts me instead of coming and talking to me, and we are in the same house. A cyber bully talks all kinds of stuff over Facebook, but in school he doesn't say a word to defend himself. 

 

I am a casual gamer for that reason.

 

I play games with other people, simply to have a reason to hangout and do something, but not all day every day. 

 

If you can make a game that brings back that childhood feeling of fun, then that is what you should go for. Create a game that brings people together, not separate them. 

 

You see the issue Zynga is perhaps unintentionally creating by taking down its game. 

 

My favorite games right now are:

-Super Sonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle Cars 

-Knack

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Edited by Tutorial Doctor, 04 April 2014 - 03:14 PM.

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#3 Memories are Better   Prime Members   -  Reputation: 769

Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:16 PM

I am no longer a gamer, in 2010 I got hooked on C#, although it wasn't my first language it was the first language, and I guess environment, where I truly enjoyed programming. Gaming very much went stale after that, the challenges in programming regardless of what they were, were far more attractive than game challenges. I still extended subs, bought games and expansions but never lasted longer than a few days on them. Eventually I stopped caring or spending money on games though I will happily talk about new releases, watch vids and try to be 'sold' by advertisement now and then, though this is super rare and non-productive sites like youtube are blocked for me anyway, but honestly I feel like I am immune to games now which is funny since I was once a gaming addict. I guess it is true what they say, to get rid of one addiction replace it with another.

 

I have always considered, especially with the way it works that gfx programming (not necessarily game programming) is like creating your own world where the possibilities are endless. I have always admired games like Sim City or strategy games where construction was the main part of the game, but the building aspect doesn't even come remotely close to what one can create with gfx programming or programming in general. To top it off, no time is wasted programming and you are always learning. For me programming is my 'game of choice' though the social aspect is limited

 

Keep having fun with programming.


Edited by Strix_Overflow, 04 April 2014 - 01:28 PM.


#4 Tutorial Doctor   Members   -  Reputation: 1881

Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:23 PM


were far more attractive than game challenges.

 

Exactly! A lot of the challenge is gone for the appeasement of people who prefer to have things the easy way. Its more political than anything. 

 

Another way games were used is to simulate life in order to teach life lessons. This is where the "experience" type games are coming from, although I really don't agree with the lessons many games teach. 

 

But making games so easy teaches a lesson that life is easy. So without a challenge, we are ill-prepaired to face the real challenges in life. Chess isn't that popular anymore, but I learned a lot about strategy from it, and I apply it in real life. 

 

A child used a strategy he learned from a game to save a person's life. etc. 


Edited by Tutorial Doctor, 04 April 2014 - 01:23 PM.

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#5 Promit   Moderators   -  Reputation: 9020

Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:23 PM

Like most developers I play lots of games. In that sense, yes I am a gamer. However, a lot of people associate "gamer" with a particular gamer culture. That culture is heavily male, somewhat younger (mentally if not physically), racially heavily white, etc. These are the people you see active on forums and gaming news sites. I do not consider myself part of that culture and I don't want anything to do with that culture. I consider them to be poisonous and detrimental to the industry as a whole in practically every aspect.

 

Setting aside the culture aspect of things, I've found that I have more awareness of the trends in the industry that aren't the big AAA stuff, most of which is repetitive nonsense. Same as pop music or many movies. The interesting stuff is not happening, by and large, in the really mainstream visible stuff. We're lucky in that nowadays, indie and small studio games are more accessible than ever. It's so much easier to find quality indie work that is off the beaten path creatively, artistically, or gameplay wise than it was even five years ago.


Edited by Promit, 04 April 2014 - 01:25 PM.


#6 Tutorial Doctor   Members   -  Reputation: 1881

Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:26 PM


That culture is heavily male, somewhat younger (mentally if not physically), racially heavily white, etc.

 

I saw a lecture on youtube where the guy gave the same description about people employed in the computer programming industry. Strange. 


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#7 BHXSpecter   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1805

Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:43 PM


So how about you guys, do you still buy and play games regularly?

Yep, have a huge PS3 collection. I bought GTA 5 and plan to get MGSV in a few days. I play them regularly as I'm of the mind that I have to play games to see what is being done and mentally pick apart the game coding wise. I got into game dev because of my love of games and interest in programming. Mortal Kombat was the game that made me realize I could make something to attempt to entertain people.

 

Also, wouldn't this have been more suitable for the Lounge forum rather than here?


Edited by BHXSpecter, 04 April 2014 - 01:45 PM.


#8 Tasaq   Members   -  Reputation: 1311

Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:50 PM

I play some games. Or should I say, re-play, since I prefer games from late 90's smile.png From modern games I play Smite and some games I find cool (I am very demanding gamer). But I must say I mostly spent my time coding than playing. Sometimes when friends show me a gameplay of new game I am like "WOW, they got nice shading". Same thing happens when I play, I am like "wow, what a nice material on that trash can..." or "this shadow artifacts are strange, wonder what's causing them" and at the same time I die or crash or whatever biggrin.png

 

Oh, and I once heard something like that: "I am not playing games, I am checking what kind of technology competition has" :)


Edited by Tasaq, 04 April 2014 - 01:53 PM.


#9 Satharis   Members   -  Reputation: 1701

Posted 04 April 2014 - 02:48 PM

I don't really even understand how people can say they considered themselves a gamer and then "stopped" being one. A lot of what I'm reading is also basically "I stopped being a gamer because the popular culture for it sucks." I don't even get that, that's like saying you stopped liking to play guitar because you suddenly felt the music industry was stale. In fact I don't even really agree what the "popular culture" for games is either.

In my opinion to consider yourself any kind of serious gamer and not just the "oh I play a cow clicker in my spare time" or "oh I bought a ps4 and the latest cod game cause everyone says to" I think it requires some sort of devotion to the subject of games, to be aware of the different genres and to play new games on a rather regular basis. "Gamer" as a dictionary term might as well be the same as calling someone a carpenter if they take a hammer and nail two pieces of wood together. I'm not trying to be insulting, rather I just find it silly people have such a sparse definition of what makes someone a gamer. Its not any different from how you should be able to tell someone is really into programming if you talk about the subject with them.

I consider myself a gamer, and I always will, because games are never just going to stop being fun for me, they're what I do in my spare time usually.

I also find it bizarre and probably a really bad thing that someone can like to make games but not like to play games, that doesn't speak very good volumes about how good their games are going to end up if they don't even know how to have fun with them, considering we're on a forum devoted to game development.

Games are software, yes, but they are also art in a way, and a challenge of design. Even just being a coder for a game you can sometimes make much better decisions that make a game more fun, just by changing how you code something, you don't even have to be the designer. Games are a product of their sum.

Edited by Satharis, 04 April 2014 - 03:09 PM.


#10 Karsten_   Members   -  Reputation: 1713

Posted 04 April 2014 - 02:58 PM

Unfortunately my dislike of DRM was becoming greater than the enjoyment I got from playing games. A few years ago I just kinda stopped caring about them, which seems sad.

 

The last games I played were most of the typical ID Software ones (Quake III, Wolf:ET). The last game I bought was Half-Life 2 but was so disgusted by the reactivation anytime I re-installed Windows that I think it was the last straw.

 

Since then I got interested in OSS platforms like Linux and BSD. At the time this greatly reduced the games available to me but did open up many other interests. Interests which are not governed by companies trying to suck every last penny out of their customers or companies that would rather alienate their customers in order to slightly inconvenience a few pirates.

 

Unfortunately now things like the 30 day "developer license" from Microsoft and the yearly device specific "provisioning profile" from Apple are starting to even make hobby programming suck and feel meaningless lol.

 

Edit: Although I do work for a games company, I still very much enjoy it because the productivity and software development side of it still provides many interesting problems to solve. Likewise I run the occasional lecture at a University and enjoy showing students how to develop their own stuff (in the hope that they will one day write an awesome DRM-free game that runs on BSD ;)


Edited by Karsten_, 04 April 2014 - 03:23 PM.

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#11 fir   Members   -  Reputation: -460

Posted 04 April 2014 - 05:11 PM

Im about 35 and I am a gamer though probably not to much hardcore one.

 

(recently played nail'd , oddworld strangers wtarh, gothic 3 - all with pleasure, some like a memorable adventure)

 

when im tired with programming I need a few days of rest and

there i play - some (many) games are really well done and worth 

playing 



#12 Promit   Moderators   -  Reputation: 9020

Posted 04 April 2014 - 07:40 PM

 


That culture is heavily male, somewhat younger (mentally if not physically), racially heavily white, etc.

 

I saw a lecture on youtube where the guy gave the same description about people employed in the computer programming industry. Strange. 

 

That is a subject for another time I think, but it is a problem.



#13 Icebone1000   Members   -  Reputation: 1234

Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:54 PM

I hold myself against playing games. I either play or not play, if I play, playing is all I will be doing till I get tired of it..I just cant control this. If Im playing a game I need to play till I finish it or till I give up o_ó.

 

So I just avoid them so I can focus on productive things ( on the making games subject mostly of the time).

 

I didnt play GTAV yet for that exactly reason, Im a huge fan, I even avoid thinking about it so it doesnt hurt so much <3



#14 ngoaho91   Members   -  Reputation: 257

Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:33 PM

Of course i am. I think we should play games even if we are busy. Because games are the best inspiration for us. You never know how terrible your game are till you play an AAA GAME. And you never know how stupid you code till you play and read the source of an open source game. Singer listen to musics. Artist watch drawings. Writer read novels. Teacher learn. So it's absolutely reasonable if we play games !!!!!!!!!!!


Edited by ngoaho91, 04 April 2014 - 10:36 PM.


#15 fir   Members   -  Reputation: -460

Posted 05 April 2014 - 03:02 AM

I hold myself against playing games. I either play or not play, if I play, playing is all I will be doing till I get tired of it..I just cant control this. If Im playing a game I need to play till I finish it or till I give up o_ó.

 

So I just avoid them so I can focus on productive things ( on the making games subject mostly of the time).

 

I didnt play GTAV yet for that exactly reason, Im a huge fan, I even avoid thinking about it so it doesnt hurt so much <3

 

I got such thinking when i was about 20-30 then i played more often and not yet programmed so much time. If i wouldnt not play but programmed there maybe i would be 1.5 year advanced today (not more, though its hard to count), but i do not find this playing was bad, I find it good experience, maybe even in recent years when i do more programming i should play more, Playing is good for soul imo.

(The one thing I pity is my health problems ('(post)boreliosis' after tick bite) that makes me terribly unhappy) Playing itself as an adventure is some kind more valuable than programming which is somewhat suppressing activity esp if doing at large (thats my opinion)

 

this said i thing i will run my gothic3 copy right now  some orcs in vengard ruins are waiting to be pacified ;/


Edited by fir, 05 April 2014 - 08:27 AM.


#16 Durakken   Members   -  Reputation: 535

Posted 05 April 2014 - 08:17 AM

Promit, Why do you think it's ok to say bigoted things? And not only say bigoted things, then go on to say they are the poisonous people.

Now I don't particularly like the shooter community nor developers have pandered to that crowd or children or both, but to call that group poisonous is ludicrous, to say it is largely white male while doing so as if that is the cause is bigoted and hateful. Firstly, there is no proof that they primarily are white male or that those games are more liked by white males than by black males or asian women or whatever other group or that that would matter considering gaming, when formed was merit based, even up into the FPSs as you still didn't have voice or face as we could do now and so whatever the demographic is has nothing to do with race or gender directly. 2ndly even if it were case, which it likely is, has to do with population percentage. If I were to subscribe to such bigotry I could easily point out many things that you would find very hateful. I find what you said to be very hateful and I don't appreciate that bigotry being brought into worlds that are meritocracy has been followed.

 

Further more, I no more like what that particular community has caused to happen in gaming than what has been caused by the "casual" gamers. They've both taken the focus off games that are challenging, both on a skill level, and on an intellectual level. They've both inspired poorly designed repetitive games that bring nothing new to the table and they have both fed off of simplistic skinner box tricks and microtransactions which have done nothing but destroyed the credibility of games as legitimate forms of delivering a message. Likewise they have both brought in terrible individuals that no one really wants to deal with. One being those from shooters that are rather bigoted and immature and the other being feminists who think that everything is offensive and needs to be changed, not for the betterment of the community nor as a better practice or any other such thing, but rather because either they just want to be kowtowed to or they believe really rather bigoted lies about a community which were largely generated by the other shooter community before they were the shooter community.

 

While I dislike the shooter community and think they are problematic for several reasons, they at are far better than the casual gamer feminist group who has caused developers to accept con artist opinions, praising poor products, segregating, and really turned the overall gaming community to turn into a unsafe place for people in general as they are told they they are poisonous, hateful, for enjoying a game or holding a position, or being a normal person.

 

If you don't believe me about the segregation thing PAX had a room where white men were not welcome, that's segregation and bigotry, and should not be accepted. GaymerX where people are promoting that you are hateful bigot if you don't give gay people money to go party with a gaming theme. I fail to see how playing games has anything to do with being gay, and not giving money to people who clearly think their sexual activities matter and are calling it out rather than promoting that it doesn't matter in the gaming community is somehow hate. I find that to be inappropriate. And another that is to a lesser extent is that Sony has a scholarship named GIRL or "Gamer In Real Life" which implies that yet another scholarship should go to women and not guys, even though most scholarships go to women to begin with, especially in the arts, and even if a guy were to get that scholarship they, along with any woman which finds the whole being called a girl thing offensive, would have to suffer the indignity of having such a poorly named scholarship.

 

And there are many other things that can be called out to be coming from casual gamer/feminist group that are deleterious as a whole to gaming.

If I recognized them as "gamers" which most of them aren't, at least the ones causing the most problems, I could see reason to back away from that label considering the associations with feminism. And ironically the rejection of the label by Promit is likely caused by that same group, by way of lying that a vast minority of a subsection of a community is somehow representative of the whole. Like I said I wouldn't want to associate myself with hateful bigots either and that is what that group has caused people to believe that all of us are, including you, Promit, whether you call yourself a gamer or not.

 

As far as the original question do I, myself, label myself a "gamer"? I might have a few weeks ago. The thing that changed my mind is a simple argument from ReviewTechUSA on youtube. Playing or developing a game is a hobby. It is no different than any other hobby so why does it warrant a label to be applied to it? I see no reason for it so I don't self-apply that label, because there is no reason to do so.


Edited by Durakken, 05 April 2014 - 08:18 AM.


#17 TheComet   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1874

Posted 05 April 2014 - 08:42 AM


And games used to be a way for people to spend time together, and hangout.

 

And getting controllers smashed over your head by a raging friend when you pull the good old

 

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#18 BHXSpecter   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1805

Posted 05 April 2014 - 06:10 PM


And games used to be a way for people to spend time together, and hangout.

I have always preferred single player games over multiplayer games. I hated multiplayer local games growing up because you couldn't be sly, sneaky, or use strategy because your friends could see your screen and see what you were up to.



#19 TheChubu   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 5984

Posted 05 April 2014 - 06:27 PM

Sony Online Entertainment won't release Planetside 2 for Linux so no, not a "gamer" anymore. I occasionally play The Dark Mod or Star Wars: Jedi Knight - Jedi Academy. But not much (once per week maybe?).


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#20 sunandshadow   Moderators   -  Reputation: 5436

Posted 05 April 2014 - 07:06 PM

I'm a gamer, it's really rare that a day goes by that I don't spend 2 hours gaming.  I get frustrated with the fact that there aren't many games aimed at my demographic (33 year old woman), and even though MMOs are my favorite genre, I haven't found a satisfying one recently.  But I do play a variety of games, from online CCG and tactical games to pet breeding sims and time management games, Rock Band, and whatever's new and interesting on Kongregate; more rarely I'll play or replay a single-player RPG.

 

I do play in-person board games once a month, but it's not my favorite kind of gaming, and I wish any of the people in that group were interested in playing an MMO or something like GTA V online or Gary's Mod - Prop Hunt with me.


Edited by sunandshadow, 05 April 2014 - 07:08 PM.

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