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#21 BHXSpecter   Members   -  Reputation: 1247

Posted 26 April 2014 - 03:19 PM

Certain sections of old, arcane code may require the occasional goat to continue working. Two chickens will do in a pinch. Other than that, no, I haven't had to make any sacrifices. If anything, my social activities have greatly increased.

I would love to believe you, but it is hard coming from someone that may or may not exist ;). 


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#22 kseh   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1964

Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:16 PM

You shouldn't be making sacrifices. You should be making decisions.



#23 Hodgman   Moderators   -  Reputation: 28587

Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:06 PM

One negative in games jobs (not programming in general) is that it's really common for people to relocate to other towns, states, countries for work.

On the flipside though, this has meant that I've made far more work-friends in games offices, as with that many people lacking deep roots in the area, people are much more likely to hang around for a beer.
Also, I don't know if this is just Austrlaia, but every games studio I've been in has had "beer o'clock" -- where anyone who partakes in such things will crack open a beer (or pour a wine, or whiskey) at the end of a Friday (and/or at Friday lunch), which makes for some easy socialization for even the socially impaired ;)

#24 Oberon_Command   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 1827

Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:10 PM

Also, I don't know if this is just Austrlaia, but every games studio I've been in has had "beer o'clock" -- where anyone who partakes in such things will crack open a beer (or pour a wine, or whiskey) at the end of a Friday (and/or at Friday lunch), which makes for some easy socialization for even the socially impaired ;)

 

This seems to happen in Canada, too, at least at the places where I've worked.



#25 BHXSpecter   Members   -  Reputation: 1247

Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:31 PM

Well thankfully my social life won't be a sacrifice as I've not had a friend in 13 years and don't make friends easily (I'm obnoxious in a lot of regards). When I got with my wife, my friends had an issue with it because she had a disability which required her to be in wheelchair. I kicked them to the curb and have been with her the past 13 years. I would love to make games for a living, but as you can see my wife and son are my first priority and nothing comes above them. This may make it impossible for me to become a professional programmer or game programmer, but some dreams are worth giving up when you already have the best thing in your life. Thank you all for your input on the matter as it really made things more clear to me.


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#26 RivieraKid   Members   -  Reputation: 372

Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:27 AM

Well thankfully my social life won't be a sacrifice as I've not had a friend in 13 years and don't make friends easily (I'm obnoxious in a lot of regards). When I got with my wife, my friends had an issue with it because she had a disability which required her to be in wheelchair. I kicked them to the curb and have been with her the past 13 years. I would love to make games for a living, but as you can see my wife and son are my first priority and nothing comes above them. This may make it impossible for me to become a professional programmer or game programmer, but some dreams are worth giving up when you already have the best thing in your life. Thank you all for your input on the matter as it really made things more clear to me.



you make your ex friends sound like evil characters from a romantic movie.
You must have been socializing with some serious scumbags. Not everyone is so horrible and you may find your social life improves if you work as a programmer

#27 ChaosEngine   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2234

Posted 27 April 2014 - 05:19 AM

I would love to make games for a living, but as you can see my wife and son are my first priority and nothing comes above them. This may make it impossible for me to become a professional programmer or game programmer, but some dreams are worth giving up when you already have the best thing in your life. Thank you all for your input on the matter as it really made things more clear to me.


Do you currently have a job? 9-5? Shift work? Or are you a stay at home dad?

Because programming is just that... a job. It will probably require you to leave home 9-5. That's it. No additional sacrifice is required above and beyond any other job. Yeah, you'll be expected to stay current, but you can do that at work or in the evenings when you'd normally be watching tv or whatever. A few hours a month are all that's needed.

Frankly, if I was hiring you I'd be a lot more concerned with your self confessed anti-social tendencies. Unless you're working for yourself on your own game, programming is a very collaborative process. If you're the weird creepy guy that no one wants to talk to, you'll find it difficult to succeed.
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#28 BHXSpecter   Members   -  Reputation: 1247

Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:13 AM

I'm a stay at home dad. I'm not anti-social at all. My problem is that I love my wife and son, but most people have no trouble telling me their negative opinion of me being with someone with a disability which doesn't fly with me. Right now my son's health makes it so I can't work a job because if he gets upset he will stop breathing and we don't know why. He wants me to be home 24/7, and since me and my father-in-law are the only two that are trained to change his tracheostomy tube and mic-key, I stay at home doing programming projects (currently working on a game for my son when I find time to do so).

 

I spend my day taking care of my son and helping my wife when they need it, programming, checking emails for replies to programming questions I have, and helping answer questions I know on other programming sites.

 

If I were anti-social I wouldn't be on here as this is a form of socializing tongue.png.


Edited by BHXSpecter, 27 April 2014 - 06:33 PM.

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#29 LennyLen   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3586

Posted 27 April 2014 - 06:03 PM


Everyone wants to think that THEY have the hardest job in the world.

 

Mine's great.  I get free food constantly (and good food at that), and I'm always having reps dropping me off beer and wine samples and inviting me to tastings.  It can be quite physically demanding sometimes - I'm not as young as I used to be and sometimes I'm on my feet nonstop for 14+ hours, and sometimes it's quite stressful trying to keep on top of what a dozen staff and a couple of hundred customers are doing all at once, but I wouldn't want to do anything else right now.



#30 Mouser9169   Members   -  Reputation: 401

Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:46 PM

Every significant choice you make in life has consequences. If you want to do this, you can't do that. Want to be a great musician? Prepare to spend a few years 'woodshedding' building up your basic skills, muscle memory, etc... Want to be a great programmer? You've got to learn to code, then keep up to date with the languages you're working with. Want to be a great surgeon, prepare to spend years studying and cutting with someone looking over your shoulder before you can finally be 'on your own' - and be prepared to be on call 24/7.

 

Games programmers might have it a little tougher at times due to 'release date' crunch (gotta be out for Christmas), but other than that, it's the same as every job. Management is pushed by upper management to get every drop of blood from the stone they have. Workers do their jobs and balance that and the rest of their lives in some manner. Those who place a higher priority on work are generally, though not always, rewarded for it in the workplace in the long term, though it may cost them a divorce in exchange. 


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#31 ChaosEngine   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 2234

Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:38 PM

I'm not anti-social at all.

Can't imagine where I got that idea rolleyes.gif
 

Well thankfully my social life won't be a sacrifice as I've not had a friend in 13 years and don't make friends easily (I'm obnoxious in a lot of regards).



...most people have no trouble telling me their negative opinion of me being with someone with a disability which doesn't fly with me.

That's pretty messed up. I don't think I've ever met someone who holds that opinion. As long as you love your wife and she's a consenting adult who loves you back, I fail to see how it's anyone else's damn business.


Ultimately, every job is a sacrifice of some sort. That is the nature of employment; people sacrifice their time for monetary reward to provide for themselves or their family.
I sympathise with your position regarding your sons health problems. It would make things difficult if you can't really leave home, but you'll find that's an issue with almost any job and not really programming specific. If anything, programming is a field where you are more likely to be able to telecommute once you have a few years experience under your belt.

 


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#32 BHXSpecter   Members   -  Reputation: 1247

Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:36 PM


Can't imagine where I got that idea 

Everyone is obnoxious to people some point or another (I just know I am and admit it as it is far better than being blind to it) and while I haven't had a friend in 13 years or don't make friends easily, it does not immediately mean anti-social. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people who are very social, but have a strict set of guidelines before they consider a person a friend or keep talking to them.


I don't think I've ever met someone who holds that opinion.

Wish I could say that, but instead I've met so many that I've lost count.


It would make things difficult if you can't really leave home, but you'll find that's an issue with almost any job and not really programming specific.

Yeah, I already figured that. Not done a job search in a year and a half now.


If anything, programming is a field where you are more likely to be able to telecommute once you have a few years experience under your belt.

Yeah, I was afraid of that. Most companies I ever applied to always told me I needed industry experience. Guess that means my sacrifice is my dream job. Oh well, can't have everything :).


"Through vengence I was born.Through war I was trained.Through love I was found. Through death I was released. Through release I was given a purpose."


#33 jHaskell   Members   -  Reputation: 976

Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:26 AM


Also, I don't know if this is just Austrlaia, but every games studio I've been in has had "beer o'clock" -- where anyone who partakes in such things will crack open a beer (or pour a wine, or whiskey) at the end of a Friday (and/or at Friday lunch), which makes for some easy socialization for even the socially impaired ;)

 

Years ago we had an Engineering Manager that would occasionally announce a 'Brew-Thirty', which meant he was heading to the local restaurant/bar (which was about 5 minutes away from work), and for the next thirty minutes, 'all drinks were on his tab'.  I put that in quotes cause nobody ever had more than 1 drink unless they were sticking around for dinner, and then they might have 2.

 

He also used to have a cooler of beer with company cook-outs as well.  The 'new' guy doesn't allow any of that.  Too much liability.



#34 the incredible smoker   Members   -  Reputation: 289

Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:00 AM

The sacerifice i make is : i cant type the word : in , i Always type int.

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#35 TheComet   Members   -  Reputation: 1459

Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:22 AM

And sometimes, I will accidentally add a semi-colon after every sentence;


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#36 kryotech   Members   -  Reputation: 839

Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:55 AM

And sometimes, I will accidentally add a semi-colon after every sentence;

 

Ever have nightmares in code? I had memory leak nightmares......

 

But to be on topic, there's no sacrifices here that you wouldn't find in any other job. At least I don't think there is anything....


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#37 ferrous   Members   -  Reputation: 1848

Posted 29 April 2014 - 09:35 AM

So, there are some physical sacrifices.  Sitting for long periods of time is unhealthy, and mild exercise won't undo it.  Typing\mousing for long periods of time is unhealthy.   Staying inside for long periods of time is unhealthy, watch out for Vitamin D deficiency.  (And even weirder, I knew a guy who started to suffer from Scurvy while working at a game company)

 

But these aren't unique to programmers, most office jobs will have these same problems, except maybe the scurvy.  


Edited by ferrous, 29 April 2014 - 09:36 AM.


#38 TheComet   Members   -  Reputation: 1459

Posted 29 April 2014 - 09:45 AM

 

And sometimes, I will accidentally add a semi-colon after every sentence;

 

Ever have nightmares in code? I had memory leak nightmares......

 

But to be on topic, there's no sacrifices here that you wouldn't find in any other job. At least I don't think there is anything....

 

Yes I have actually! More than often my brain refuses to rest during sleep - it will ruthlessly calculate nonsensical equations and execute imaginary segments of meaningless code. Results are headaches and feeling under slept.


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#39 Icebone1000   Members   -  Reputation: 1024

Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:07 AM

the secret to be successful in anything is make the process the reward, not the end goal

~Icebone1000 ;D

 

If things go wrong, it will not be a waste of time that will put you in depression and make you give up, it will be good experience, fun, etc.. You have to enjoy what youre doing, not go trough supposed suffering/sacrifice to achieve an ultimate success.

This way anything that comes will be good.

 

This is much more a personal  thing than professional though (which I value more). For example, you can do what you love, be awesome on it, and not get any money, cause business and marketing have noting to do with it. Of course, the fact that you go with passion for something will make you stand out more than average joes, but still not a guarantee for a wealthy life.



#40 catslap   Members   -  Reputation: 35

Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:20 PM

None IMO (not gaming though). A job you can take on freelance at huge rates, take months off each year, with virtually zero overhead in terms of tools (laptop, couple of licences mosty your client covers), can work remotely from a beach anywhere in the world over the internet and skype/vpn and is intellectually challenging. The demand is huge and keeps growing, rates are rising dramatically (30% so far this financial year), There's no hard labour and on the whole you can leave the office and not really care much until the next day. Get to browse facebook and email without anyone really caring. Free hackspace and labs, a team to support you and one of the only industries I can think of where you get supported if you have good ideas and want to go it alone (providing you play it right!). A super easy going environment out of the rain.

 

I've no idea why guys self-flagellate and whine, it's the easiest gig I've ever known except for maybe slinging drugs, but software has no risk of going to jail. It's sweet.






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