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BaXtErS in the house, wanna make games


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#1 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 03:32 AM

HI EVRYONE!! I''m Glen Baxter of the Baxter Bros (my brother Les has moved to America.) And I guess I''m gonna become a familiar face here ''cos I''m gonna become a game programmer in C. First off check out our site and sign the guestbook http://baxters.narod.ru I have a few questions... 1 ASP and C are pretty similar, like i can understand c from my ASP experience, but is there a good way to transfer code direct (''tho ASP doesn''t support OPENGL yet!! ) 2 What are good books? 3 I wanted to use --==BAXTERS==-- (my usual format) 4 my username but wasn''t allowed it, why not? other users have such symbols. 4 If you need any extra habnds moderating then i love moderation, believe me!!! I have been looking at this orum and really respect you guys, you are top notch programmers, from one code dood to another, serious. I know I''m gonna get loads of help from you guys, and in return I can offer help with gifs and ASp, also I am a top web constructor, and know HTML pretty well too. L8ers GlEn BaXtEr and, on hihs behalf, LES too PS BE sure and sign our guestbook on home page!!!! Cheers, guys!

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#2 Cyberdrek   Members   -  Reputation: 100

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 03:38 AM

quote:
Original post by BAXTERS
HI EVRYONE!! I''m Glen Baxter of the Baxter Bros (my brother Les has moved to America.) And I guess I''m gonna become a familiar face here ''cos I''m gonna become a game programmer in C.
First off check out our site and sign the guestbook http://baxters.narod.ru
I have a few questions...

1 ASP and C are pretty similar, like i can understand c from my ASP experience, but is there a good way to transfer code direct (''tho ASP doesn''t support OPENGL yet!! )



Not really, C and ASP aren''t the same thing, ASP is mostly VBScript and therefore not C but VB. Second, ASP is for web sites, not for game programming. It''s a way of building dynamic web sites. Anyhow, that''s what I had to say about your question.




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#3 SonShadowCat   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 03:42 AM

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plz dont use a mix of small case and upper case

2)Good books are anything you can learn from
4)We dont know you, no mod for you

flattery wont get you anywhere here
and plz do use spellcheck or something

now that that is out of the way

why learn c?
why dont you learn C++?

"Those who serve no purpose, have no purpose."- SSC the Super Saiyan Cat

Edited By - SonShadowCat on Your Girlfriends Birthday

#4 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 03:47 AM


"and plz do use spellcheck or something"

well, that''s not the way to spell ''please'' ha ha,
only joking!
but what''s wrong with mixing cases? I think it looks c00l!

Also, there was no flattery, we are all excelling at different fields of the IT world here!


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#5 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 03:55 AM

sorry shadow, didn''t see you were trying to make a serious point there.
I thought c was just a shorthand way to erite c++, right?

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#6 StiNKy   Members   -  Reputation: 144

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 03:56 AM

Uhh your web page looks like something netscape3 composer constructed, and what in the hell is with that ball thingy? your using someone elses code arn''t you? oh and also making gifs in cool3d isn''t very ''professional''


#7 BeerNutts   Crossbones+   -  Reputation: 3592

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 04:14 AM

Baxter,

As someone who does know what he''s talking about, C is a subset of C++, and you''ll have to learn the syntax of C to program in C or C++. As to which you should learn 1st, that''s really up to you. People like SonShadowCat think C++ is the be all, end all of programming languages, when, in fact, the best way to program is to use C++ features only when it best fits the problem. Too many poeple use C++ stuff exclusively, and it makes the code more complex than it ever should be. Use C++ and objects when it helps you, otherwise, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).

Just my 2 cents.

Nutts

#8 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 04:29 AM

hello les here, i do the gifs and mine was the cool3d which is dithered.
and i dint take knidly to you slagging off my gif.
i worked hard on that to get it just right and 4 people thought it looked proffesional.
please respect my art and i will be nice to you. otherwise i will laugh at you.
you know who you is sti
NKy

i will be cross.

did you like the watch this space holding gif.
i also dithered that and put a red shooting star to help the visual side of it, people wanted to use that on there webs page.

anyway i do flash now and it''s better than c because it''s vector and not text so there.

lots of love leS

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#9 TeraByte   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 04:35 AM

Dont inter-capitalize it is something script kiddies do and it makes you look imature and stupid, thank you.

You''ll soon realize how people here operate, once you''ve got it, you will get the response you want, but people respond to you depending on what impression you make on them.

#10 TeraByte   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 04:57 AM

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otherwise i will laugh at you.

anyway i do flash now and it''s better than c because it''s vector and not text so there.




I''ll laugh back at you!

Anyways, the reason i posted was to say this:
Flash is NOT better than C, i bet Flash was programmed in C, i might be wrong there but its a good guess.
You can program ANYTHING in C, web browsers, games (both online and offline), databases, apps of all shapes and sizes, can you do that with flash? didn''t think so.

I admit flash is not bad if you do web sites but C/C++ is much better all round.


Anyway, good luck.


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Posted 25 January 2002 - 05:15 AM

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hello les here, i do the gifs and mine was the cool3d which is dithered.
and i dint take knidly to you slagging off my gif.



And I dont take kindly to people making flash programs whose sole purpose is to bog down someones computer.

And I can not see how anyone could consider your site professional looking, when the most advanced thing you have is that damned ball thing follwing your mouse all the time. I had flash for 3 days and I was doing things INFINANTLY more complex than that.

#12 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 05:19 AM

hey d00dz ! REALX!
Les, (this is Glen here) just got a bit upset cos his CoolMetal gif was one of his favourites!

None of you guys have signed the guestbook, and what about answering my questions in the 1st post??????

l8rs

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#13 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 05:22 AM

i bet flash is done in java.
by the way you can do gifs in c++ but they look gay.
i bet i can do better flash than you you liar.

i challenge you to a flash-down!.


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#14 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 05:25 AM

wowzers!
Les and terebits are going to have a Flashdown??? Like the SAS: who darez winz!!!

cO0liO:¬)



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#15 Oluseyi   Staff Emeritus   -  Reputation: 1982

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 05:39 AM

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Original post by BAXTERS
by the way you can do gifs in c++ but they look gay.


C++ is a programming language, not a graphics manipulation application. You can write code to display GIFs, but you can''t "do" (as in create) GIFs in C++ (other than programmatically, but that''s obviously over your head).

More importantly, could you and your "twin" brother register separate usernames? This split-personality account is a bad idea on a website, where your username is all we can identify you by.

Lastly, please read the site FAQ; it contains valuable information on how to use the forums and how to behave in them.

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 05:41 AM

I enjoyed your website baxter boys. Keep up the good work.
I''d like to share this with everyone else here as it inspired me.

"Quote from the BaXtStErS webpage"

Hi im Les,
A poem by les baxter.

THE GIF.

a gif, a gif, on my screen,
dithered, web-safe, the image is clean.
a jpeg, a jpeg, over compressed,
it''s colours weak, i''m not impressed.

:O


#17 krez   Members   -  Reputation: 443

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 06:06 AM

quote:
Original post by BAXTERS
1 ASP and C are pretty similar, like i can understand c from my ASP experience, but is there a good way to transfer code direct (''tho ASP doesn''t support OPENGL yet!! )

already answered for you...
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2 What are good books?

click the "search" icon at the top right of this screen, and search the forums. there are many many posts that suggest good books for all sorts of different programming topics.
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3 I wanted to use --==BAXTERS==-- (my usual format) 4 my username but wasn''t allowed it, why not? other users have such symbols.

probably because the guys who programmed it were hoping this wouldn''t become a haven for 37337 haX0rs... most of the people here are into game design, not who has the best/most unreadable handle and messages...
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4 If you need any extra habnds moderating then i love moderation, believe me!!!

i have no say in this, but i doubt it...
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from one code dood to another, serious.

well, if i ever was a "code dood" i no longer want to be one...

by the way, if you keep typing like an 37337 haX0r you are most likely only going to be ignored or flamed.

--- krez (krezisback@aol.com)

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 06:31 AM

Hey Baxter,

Your quote is quite _WRONG_.

A) Return of the Jedi was released in 1983.
B) Your quote is from A New Hope (released in 1977)
C) Your quote claims its from 1984.

How can your quote be from 1984, when the final movie of the series (Return of the Jedi) was released in 1983, thus making it impossible to have a quote from the movie past that year. And secondly, why would the quote be so late when in fact your quote was taken from A New Hope (more commonly just called "Star Wars" or "The Original", which was released six years before (in 1977) Return of the Jedi and SEVEN years before your alleged quote taking time.

Something doesn''t add up. Fix your year.

#19 BAXTERS   Members   -  Reputation: 122

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 07:24 AM

Listen up, mr, this is a serious forum for discussing game programming, man you are right though! sooo right!!

You remind me a bit of the the guy who complained about my home made Cyberman costume at Stars Wars Con, London circa 1990
{grins}
l8rs dood, and thanks for picking up on that point. I shall make the neccesary changes when I have a spare min (giff''d off my feet at the mo!)
Glen X

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 05:17 PM

Hate to be so blunt and offensive, but hey, I''m in that mood tonite!

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also I am a top web constructor, and know HTML pretty well too.



Um, I saw your website. I hope you must be kidding. That is utterly basic HTML, lacking any form of style or a sensible design approach, not to mention it''s disgusting color scheme that clashes in every possible way.

Let''s look at your main page. You have a message box, when it first loads, which is a No-No from the start. Who the hell wants to have to see a MessageBox appear every single time they refresh a site, filled with mispelled words and alot of exclamation points. You take use of basic HTML tables, which is arguably fine, but to call yourself a "top web constructor" because you can slap a fucking table together with 5 lines of code, is nonsensical.

How about your graphics? Look at your banner. It looks like you took a paintbrush tool in some graphics program and sloppily hand drew some fucking curves with your mouse. Get real. Top notch? Nay.

And your obsessive nature with GIFS. GIFs are fine, but they are overly obsolete in how you seem to believe they should be used. At most, GIFs are currently still used for smaller iconic or symbol based graphics that come in an abundance on a page. Their small size makes the loading of the page more efficient by decreasing the time it takes for Internet Explorer''s multiple connections to every single URL..to finish downloading, or caching, what have you.

Your gifs are horrible. Your "space holder" gif (please define what the hell that means), is nothing more than a half-assed fireball of some sort that moves on a diagonal line for a whopping..uh..4 frames? Then a tiny piece of red text quickly enlarges (whoaaaa..hard stuff) for about 3 frames.

Uh, you have a GIF of a chicken on top of a tiny gradient box, both of which can easily be copied from the internet or created in the average graphics program (a single point and click in Adobe Photoshop, for instance.) that does nothing more than..slide across it''s GIFspace. Seriously, give me a break. Not only is it blatantly ugly, it also serves no function or purpose, and doesn''t take the slightest shred of skill (I''m saying this because you call it your hall of fame of GIFs or whatever).

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1 ASP and C are pretty similar, like i can understand c from my ASP experience, but is there a good way to transfer code direct (''tho ASP doesn''t support OPENGL yet!! )



What are you babbling about? ASP and C serve 2 completely different functions. One is web-based, the other can serve a plethora of purposes.

And both languages are not similar at all in their syntax/semantics either. Look at 2 snippets of code in both languages:

  
(ASP)
<%
Dim conn
conn = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; Data Source="& _
Server.MapPath("mydata.mdb") & "PWD=yourpass"
%>


  
char *str;
str = new char[MAX_SIZE]
strcpy(str, "hello");


Where do you see any type of similarity? ASP is closest to Visual Basic and/or Jscript.

And uh, sorry bud, I don''t see Active Server Pages supporting OPENGL any time soon.

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i bet flash is done in java.
by the way you can do gifs in c++ but they look gay.
i bet i can do better flash than you you liar.



Uh..what? How fucking dumb are you. Flash is done in FLASH. Do you even comprehend what it is? It is simply a program (Macromedia Flash) that can create vector-based graphics, complex animations, and supports some limited procedural scripting. Java has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

And yes, you can make GIFs in C++, but I don''t see how they look "gay". C++ was not made to be a fucking award-winning graphics program. You shouldn''t even be using it to make a GIF in the first place.

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anyway i do flash now and it''s better than c because it''s vector and not text so there.


Christ, you progressively sound stupider and stupider as you speak. How can Flash be better than C? You''re fucking comparing apples and oranges. FLASH IS A GRAPHICS & MULTIMEDIA ENVIRONMENT. C is a fucking programming language.

And how does Flash''s usage of vector graphics have any correlation with C''s usage of..anything whatsoever? Do you honestly believe that all there is to C is fucking text? Yes, I guess C is one of the most popular and powerful languages in the world because all it can do is fucking display text. I''m not even going to try and explain anything further to you.





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