i recently bought a book "3D Game Programming With C++" - John De Goes, and guess what? this book sucks! all it is, is a reference to all known D3D commands and such, (appendix a is nearly twice as big as the entire book!), anyway i am griping because guess what? i dont know Direct3D! ok so heres the deal i do have alot of experience with c++ (visual style) and i have SOME experience with direct draw but i am looking for a GOOD tutorial on direct3d starting from the beggining, i have looked around and i have failed to find one that suites my learning style! ----------------------------- doctor_b@doctor.com