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donkey breath

Member Since 12 Mar 2009
Offline Last Active Jul 01 2011 09:00 AM

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In Topic: Potential job - advice on pay negotiation?

27 May 2011 - 04:40 AM

Congratulations

If your happy with the salary and they are happy with the salary then it's a win/win.

Also gives you great experience to show to BBC.

In Topic: Potential job - advice on pay negotiation?

24 May 2011 - 09:01 AM

I would most certainly never show my cards first in a salary scenario. If you say £500 and the guy say he was looking at £200 you have left yourself open to 2 things (1 he will tell you to go away or you will have to come much closer to his evaluation 2.He knows you will be on the lookout for higher paying work). It's like playing cards, show your hand first and you are almost always on the backfoot.

It's way easier to negotiate down to 150 pounds/day from 200 than up from 100

What if he says £100, you can then say £200 and then it is much easier to agree at the middle £150. You also know that if you are expecting £500 and he says £100 you can then just let him know that you are not in his price bracket and exit the negotiations, not wasting his or your time. Or you can turn it around agree with his fee and state you want a payment on completion. Letting him make the first move allows you much more room to get what you want.

There's an element of playing it as you see it. If you think you need to make the first move and the situation dictates it then make the first move. Generally I'd never recommend it and I have been involved in large project negotiations/strategy.

In Topic: How do you report taxes on game sales?

24 May 2011 - 07:23 AM

Basically the government will take every penny you make available to them. If you make a mistake they will demand immediate payment, if they make a mistake they will tell you that you are waiting until at least the end of the current financial year to get that money back (and without interest added).

Sorry that's just my view of the $£%^%£%£$£"!%$£££$%£!$%^ government. They once tried to tax me on 15p (about 20 cents for our american friends) interest I got from my bank account and sent out two letters asking for payment. the letters each had stamps worth more than the amount they were chasing.....


rant over, feel better now..

In Topic: Potential job - advice on pay negotiation?

24 May 2011 - 05:28 AM

Probably 2 important questions:-

Why was the last developer no longer on the project (if it is a suspicious reason they won't tell the full truth but you can read thier reaction)?

Is this a long term project? If it is ask for them to draw up a contract for you to sign. Don't mention pay rates until they bring it up, if it hasn't been mentioned by the end of the interview then ask then. I really don't think £100/day is a bad rate for a first job after graduation in the current climate, depends on the contract structure (e.g. duration, remote working?, etc).

Have the contract structured so that you can leave at any time(or 1-5 days notice), that way if you get a better offer you can either re-negotiate or take the improved offer.

In Topic: Potential job - advice on pay negotiation?

24 May 2011 - 02:23 AM

If they ask how much you want, don't give a figure. let them make the first move and negotiate from there. If they ask what you want reply "what are your offering?" or "what is the going rate?" or "what did you pay the last programmer?". Beware that this might be a low figure as they realise you are both in negotiation, but with a starting offer you are in a position to negotiate. If you give the first figure then you are on the back foot as they will either want to negotiate down or think you are too expensive and turn you down.

For a graduate £100/day is a good rate for a first job. I'd ask if they have a lot of work or would consider you as a long term contractor.

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