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Member Since 09 Apr 2011
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In Topic: Drag Curve for airliners

23 February 2015 - 06:30 AM

This is a wrong forum to ask such questions its not even math realted, try flight gear or jbssim files for that i am pretty sure i saw 737 specifications there

In Topic: 2D Flight Simulator

22 February 2015 - 05:40 AM

i believe thats not how this game works, i see there basic lift, drag equations (along with thrust and weight forces) they produce linear acceleration and angular acceleration which you will need to calculate.


maybe this code will give you some light:

	double l;

l = timin->getElapsedTime();

double dt = double(l);     //get elapsed time in seconds
if (dt <=0 ) return;
lastDeltaTime = dt;
dt = 0.0330;

double V = VectorLength(vel);
double squareSpeed = V*V;

t3dpoint<double> pitch_vec = -t3dpoint<double>(YPRangle.AIR_MATRIX[8], YPRangle.AIR_MATRIX[9], YPRangle.AIR_MATRIX[10]);

ThrustForce_vec = pitch_vec * Throttle_to_force( Throttle );

//double AngleOfAttack =	0.0;//			AngleBetweenVectors(-vel,ThrustForce_vec);
//tmpangle = 180.0-RadToDeg(AngleOfAttack);

result_force = t3dpoint<double>(0.0, 0.0, 0.0);
angularity = t3dpoint<double>(0.0, 0.0, 0.0);
int i;
for (i=0; i<elcnt-1; i++)
t3dpoint<double> ELEMENT_FORCE = t3dpoint<double>(0.0, 0.0, 0.0);
double DynPressure = (0.5*squareSpeed*dens*ELEMENTS[i]->area); 

double r 	= VectorLength(ELEMENTS[i]->center_of_pressure);
double EMOI = (ELEMENTS[i]->mass*r*r);

double defk = 1.0 * absnf(ELEMENTS[i]->GetAngle());
t3dpoint<double> EDragForce =                                  //flat square at 90 = 1.1  => 17.5 deg * 5.14
ELEMENTS[i]->ReturnDeflectionNormal(YPRangle.AIR_MATRIX) * defk * DynPressure;

double AOA = ELEMENTS[i]->GetAngle()*17.5;//RadToDeg(AngleBetweenVectors(ELEMENTS[i]->ReturnDeflectionFront(YPRangle.AIR_MATRIX), Normalize(vel)));

t3dpoint<double> ELiftForce = ELEMENTS[i]->ReturnDeflectionNormal(YPRangle.AIR_MATRIX) * LiftCoefficient(AOA,0) * DynPressure;

t3dpoint<double> EGravityForce = Normalize(-pos)*eGForce*ELEMENTS[i]->mass;

ELEMENT_FORCE = EDragForce + ELiftForce + EGravityForce;

double kamikadze = VectorLength(ELiftForce) - VectorLength(EGravityForce);

Matrix44<double> BASE_ROT_MAT;
t4dpoint<double> rotcoord = BASE_ROT_MAT * ELEMENTS[i]->center_of_pressure;
t3dpoint<double> ELEMENT_R = t3dpoint<double>(rotcoord.x, rotcoord.y, rotcoord.z);

t3dpoint<double> ETorque = ELEMENT_R * ELEMENT_FORCE;      // R x F

t3dpoint<double> EAngAcc = ETorque / EMOI;

t3dpoint<double> EAngVel = EAngAcc*dt;
t3dpoint<double> EAngMov = EAngVel*dt;

angularity = angularity + EAngMov;
result_force = result_force + ELEMENT_FORCE;

//fuselage has different approach because we subtract fuselage drag length from overall lift value

result_force = result_force + Normalize(-vel) * (0.5*0.270*squareSpeed*dens*FUSELAGE->area) +
ThrustForce_vec + Normalize(-pos)*eGForce*FUSELAGE->mass;




//add skin friction drag  skin friction coeff for f-18 maybe 0.0031

Acceleration = result_force / mass;
vel = vel + (Acceleration * dt);
pos = pos + (vel * dt);

In Topic: From AngularAcc from torque to angles : )

20 February 2015 - 11:24 AM


In Topic: From AngularAcc from torque to angles : )

20 February 2015 - 10:19 AM

ok i get your point however your first post was totally in 100% correct i just was using one airlieron to determine the rotation which obvious produce yaw moment too.

i added second airlieron to the code and it produces now correct roll without yaw, 


math was good. code was good too :P




I ignored your code,


HOW COULD YOU ? :P    ph34r.png

In Topic: From AngularAcc from torque to angles : )

20 February 2015 - 05:37 AM

buck the multiplication you posted is actual a vector cross, because when multiplying two vectors * operator returns vector cross product.



By actual numbers do you mean calculate everything with a proper mass proper inertia moment and distances, and proper forces?



a pad and pencil or calculator


thats why i used that script to speed up the calculations.




As you provide no other information, 

i would really like to know what do else you want me to show.




every function sets up different D and F (to calculate Torque = D x F;)



in this case  elevator should change pitch

airlieron roll

rudder yaw.


everything except airlieron returns one rotation.



you know 

i set airlieron at -10, 0 ,0 from the center of gravity so the R vector is -10, 0, 0 


i apply a force to it which is 0, 2, -2  a force that is directed in up front direction uhm uhm now i see that it can produce two rotations but since i did something similar for elevator how could i achieve one rotation on airlieron