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ShiftyCake

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#5171015 Horror Story Help?

Posted by ShiftyCake on 01 August 2014 - 07:37 PM

While I do agree with most of the points above, I don't think a horror game meant to be psychologically scary has any real need to make sense. Reason is one of the factors that helps us rationalise things, not to mention that humans are afraid of the unknown (extremely so). One of the great things about focusing on cult's is that, generally, what they do does not make any sense. Beyond the whole 'sacrifice lesser beings to summon/appease greater beings', most sacrificial cults just do not make sense at all.

 

I noticed how you said you wanted to be 'somewhat' authentic. To be honest, occultism isn't widely known, or even thought of, beyond the sacrificing. People only see a cow getting massacred and say 'wow, that's barbaric' which is ironic but that's going off-topic. What I'm getting at is you should only really be looking at going authentic with something if you believe that your audience has knowledge of the topic. Unless you personally feel the need to.

 

In the case of occultism, I'd say research 'sacrifices' and make that authentic. Anything else you can either draw some inspiration from real world occultism or make it up completely. Note that when I say sacrifices I'm not including resurrection, I believe that resurrection is something that varies from cult to cult, so there's no real need for it to be authentic. However, you may disagree and want to have a lot of the cult workings authentic, so I'm providing some material to look at:

 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-08-21/news/8801240414_1_santeria-animal-sacrifices-animal-regulation-board

 

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109379

 

I found various other ones in my research, but all of them were either fictional creations or people disgusted at cults (not really explaining them, rather degrading them). Interestingly, or rather logically, people seem to avoid the subject all-together. it's very hard to find a reputable source of actual cult in-goings, and no I don't believe its because cults are very secretive (although it could very well be).

 

What I could suggest is going onto the cult wikipedia page and looking for tangents. It'd be your best bet of finding cults, but it'll also be very time consuming.

 

Let me wrap up by repeating what I said previously, reason is one of the things that makes a game less scary, so don't worry about how much sense it makes. Just focus on what you want it to be like.

 

Side note: I think it'd be cool if the game starts where you wake up and you're chained to a stone table with a ritual being performed around you. You see dead body's strewn around the place as you look around, before you look down on the table. The tables completely covered in blood. Then you frantically look up to see a knife plunge into you and you black out again. Next time you wake up you're among the dead bodies, and the ritual is still being performed with more people. You were fortunate enough for them to have missed your heart, but to be physically dead for a few seconds. This is your chance to escape.

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I had a chat with my mother who did some research on occultism. She said to read between the lines. Think of what's posted online as a net. A lot of it is their in order to find new recruits. They're seeking people crazy enough to join their cult, so they post things similar to what their cult actually practices in order to find people interested in it.

 

But besides that, their is not much you can find online. These cults truly believe in what they're doing and are very close-mouthed about it, you're either with them or dead. Your best bet would be to join a cult itself, but I highly recommend you do not. Not only would it be extremely dangerous, if you couldn't stomach it you'd be found out immediately.

Side Note: She said that as she has not had first-hand experience in a cult she cannot guarantee this, its possible that some cults let their members leave on the condition that they do not reveal any information. But in that case, you wouldn't find anything out form them anyways.

 

She suggested that your best bet would be to go to a library and look up certain key phrases like 'summoning' or 'sacrifice. A lot of the information of cults are old historical documents detailing certain practices that happened in their time. If you fail to find much in your local library, it might be worth travelling to a larger library.

 

Also, this is a forum focused specifically on occultism that I found: http://www.occultforum.org/forum/index.php?sid=eb9514ea4248849b599cf6993b146041

 

It'd be a gold mine for real cults to grab fanatics, so I'd say there is a lot of material their that originates from real cults.




#5168832 Games dependent upon the use of (improvised) external auxiliary instruments

Posted by ShiftyCake on 24 July 2014 - 03:37 AM

Well simple cryptography would be an interesting angle. You could have the device be a backer perk. It wouldn't be required, but if you don't use it then all your communication is clear-text and open to interception by the enemy. ;)

 

It'd be quite problematic to implement this online, but it'd be a lot of fun offline. Quite interesting, I feel almost compelled to use it.




#5168293 Your focus as a creator and consumer?

Posted by ShiftyCake on 21 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

1) I've never really thought about it before, but it seems pretty logical for a focus to be apparent in story writing. I find myself taking a world approach the same as you, interestingly enough I actually do this in both my game writing and my book writing. It has a lot to do with how my mind creates or imagines. I spent a lot of my younger days envisioning different scenario's about myself in my imagination. But instead of focusing on myself, I focused on the world and put myself in their to see how I would act or react to different things happening. I could take a guess and say this directly correlates to my focus on the world to date.

 

2) Matthew Reilly, an Author, has a few book series. One of those series is focused on a character called Captain Shane Schofield, so I'd say its very character-orientated. I'd say, however, his other series is more story-oriented. So perhaps we focus on one of the three every time we write something new. Who knows.

 

3) there's other focuses, but they all are really sub-genres of the three you have already mentioned. I can't think of a focus that is external to any of the three, but I may be wrong.

 

I would also mention that you don't always focus on one thing. In quite a few of my own pieces, I use the world to tell the story but I also use the characters to tell the story as well. They're equally important in the story's progression, so its safe to say they're both the primary focus of the book.




#5167745 Games dependent upon the use of (improvised) external auxiliary instruments

Posted by ShiftyCake on 19 July 2014 - 01:02 AM

I've always loved a mix of both physical and virtual game mechanics. For example, if I'm seeking to find an easter egg or something else of equally hard-to-find nature, I prefer to have my notes on how to find it by my side and not on the screen. It's not just about what I like, its simply better.

 

it allows you to access a resource without having to remove yourself from the game. Most of the time its simply easier then, say, having notepad up and tabbing out of the game every 5s to look at your notes.

 

Because of this, I've always thought about a better way to implement physical 'notes' of such. For example, there's a game called Legend of Grimrock. This game has a spell system, where there is a 3x3 grid of symbols:

 

grimrockmagicrunes.jpg

 

Activating different symbols in combination allows you to cast a spell. To know the combination you have to find spellbooks found in the dungeons. I jotted down on a piece of paper the spell and its requirements every time I came across one, so if I started again I knew what to do. There were also a lot of puzzles that you had to do to progress, along with puzzles that contained secrets, and while I attempted to keep track of them on paper it just became too messy to do so.

 

however, what would've been great is if you bought the game and it came with a notepad where you could put it down in an organised fashion instead of having a bunch of mess everywhere. Half of the book could come with pages like this:

 

legendofgrimrock.png

The other half with pages like this:

 

legendofgrimrockpart2.png

with the left being the puzzle and how it works, while the right being the first couple of pages explaining what the map means. Then there could also be a few pages at the end to jot down some extra notes if you need to.

 

To be honest, if I had of had something like this I would've played the game for a lot longer. My opinion of physical notes is they should be something you accumulate yourself, but the developers should provide the material to cultivate this. That way you can both organise your notes and at the same time have a single source to access them.

 

I mean, massing a source of information for your game is an achievement within itself. It's fun and you become better at the game. A lot of the reason why developers don't implement such things like this is most games are being moved entirely virtual. Its only big name games and console games that are really being bought in stores anymore. I bought the Legend of Grimrock on steam, so I wouldn't have gotten a physical notebook even if they provided it.




#5167511 How to exit the game gracefully?

Posted by ShiftyCake on 17 July 2014 - 08:09 PM

the problem differs from game to game. If you're playing a game that loses progress if not saved properly, or cannot be saved, then thats where the quitting option becomes a problem.

 

Their are quite a few games that implement a time feature GameCreator, however most of them are mmorpg's, which is reasonable as the online feature can cause problems if disconnection is immediate. There have been quite a few times where my internet has turned off, but it took a few seconds for my character itself to be removed from in-game, causing me to die. Some mmorpg's implement both the time and are you sure features together, so once you click quit you are given a 10s window in which you can click quit again to close the game immediately. It's a mostly irrelevant feature, save for the off chance you need to leave in the space of the 2s required to click the quit button, but its nice nonetheless.

 

The problem with this, well, problem, is that their is no entirely correct solution. its a Comfortability vs Security problem, where adding to one will always minus from the other. It really just depend on what game you are playing, as I stated originally. A game that does not have a dynamic or auto save feature,or no save feature at all, would lean more heavily on the security side. Where as a game that does will focus more heavily on the comfortability side.

 

If I was leaning onto the Security side, I'd only have a quit to the main menu option on my menu bar. most games allow you to continue where you left off from the main menu, so in most cases this stops potential problems. however if that is not the case, I would make sure that accessing the quit option takes at least more then one click once you access the menu (basically a sub-menu, probably accessed through options). Finally I'd implement an are you sure to feature. An additional thing you could do is make sure that each click has to happen on a different part of the screen, so that rapid clicks in the same area don't cause a quit. This would remove 99% of the accidental quits, that 1% being the extremely unlucky person.

 

However if I was leaning onto the comfortability side, I'd have the quit to menu and quit to desktop on a sub-menu within the quit button. Well, less of a sub-menu, and more of a replacement for are you sure. It removes the need for are you sure and makes quitting feel nice, at least in my opinion. I would also make sure that clicking on them happens at a different part of the screen to avoid rapid clicks, however I'd do this at a lesser degree to make it less movement for your mouse. This makes it a lot less effective, as rapid clicking usually occurs in an area and not just one spot, but we are not going for Security here. There's not much else you can do for this, though I may be wrong, so its the easier of the two.

 

But to be honest, these kind of features are the 'that'd be nice' kind of features. I'd only worry about it after you've created your game, but by then a lot of developers have already moved onto their next project. moving off-topic, I never really liked the concept of starting a new project so soon after finishing your first one. Give at least half a month of extra time for a refresher, and another half to come back to the game you made and see if their are any design flaws, or areas you can improve in. Not to mention most of them will have already been pointed out by the community. But I digress, that's all I have to say on the topic.

 

EDIT: in light of the next two posts, I want to rephrase that I was talking about what things worked towards the goal of security, and what worked for the goal of comfort-ability. A combination of the two are generally good for most games. if you're playing a game like CoD Zombies, then you can spend up to entire days (theoretically infinite) playing it. You can't save your progress, and any disconnection results in the loss of your game. During this time you'll be taking plenty of breaks and, more often then not, won't be paying attention to the small things. In a case like that, i'd like as much security as possible. However on the contrary, you can play this game for one minute and then quit.

 

So on rethinking, I'd prefer to have this 'extreme' version of security as an optional feature. That way when im going for that score break or just want to play as long as possible, I can select it to ensure I don't accidentally disconnect.




#5166002 Respect for the player. Forgetting violence fetishism. Exploration. Notgame?

Posted by ShiftyCake on 10 July 2014 - 07:33 AM


I am also very interested in including some level of persistence in the universe (not an MMO), in the manner of allowing player behaviour to result in data used to drive changes to the universe, allowing the algorithms to mutate themselves. This kind of world excites me, because even as the developer, I can never discover everything it is capable of.

 

I'd explain this more in-depth, this is what captured my interest (I'm not aiming to join the project however).




#5165045 Communicating "scariness" without openly showing the enemy

Posted by ShiftyCake on 06 July 2014 - 08:39 AM

one of the scariest things I can imagine is being lulled into a false sense of security. the second you drop your guard you're dead, yet you cant help but think you're safe.

 

Accentuating on seongjun's comment of showing previously afflicted victims, perhaps you could use that as an opening. Employing what I'm saying as well, you start off in a neutral-friendly environment. This continues on for a short span until you happen upon the other victims etc. in some form or another. then you just have to stimulate the concept of a monster through visual and audio queues, their imagination will do the rest.

 

Which is another thing, never reveal the monster. A persons imagination will always be far more horrible then the reality. Playing on this strength, or weakness, of humans is a great way to instill fear without revealing identity.




#5156276 Gain power without being chosen one feeling

Posted by ShiftyCake on 27 May 2014 - 08:59 AM

It's very hard to separate those two, but it's generally done through making the abnormal normal. Generally, the only way to make a character feel like they are just one of many is to, well, make them one of many.

 

This can be done through normalising any method of gaining powers such as:

- everyone is born with a power, each one different from the next

- rigid training over many years can master an art that gives you a unique power (ninjutsu and the sort use a variation of this method)

 

etc. etc. I would say the first one suits you best, from what you're describing you want him to have a unique power.

You also added in especially a power that has never been used before however, by marketing to that criteria specifically, your person cannot avoid feeling like a chosen one.

 

What I can suggest to you is to take a skewed approach to this. Instead of focusing on whether the world thinks you're a chosen one, focus on whether the character thinks he/she is. It's quite easy to manipulate a character's past or personality to create someone who would feel that the power was given to him by accident, or even that it is a hindrance as radio suggested. You can even go so far as to have your character being originally chosen, but choosing to forsake that path to make his own.

 

In essence, what you would be making is an anti-hero. It all depends on what kind of world you wish to create, do you want emphasis on the world or the character? If it's more world-oriented looking through the eyes of the character, I'd suggest the normalisation of a method. However, if you want to focus on the character and their adventures, then I'd suggest making them an anti-hero and focusing on their personal development.




#5155385 naming my game

Posted by ShiftyCake on 23 May 2014 - 04:33 AM

To be honest, this is a discussion you should be having with the group who created the game. WHile it is always enticing to seek outside helps for creative dilemmas, no-one knows the game better then the creator's. Just collaborate between yourselves and start cutting down the list of titles and names until you reach the one you want. While we can guess the setting, dark and grim, there are millions of games that are dark and grim.

 

Think, what makes your game unique, and start working from there.




#5155384 Story vs Gameplay...

Posted by ShiftyCake on 23 May 2014 - 04:28 AM

Many factors determine the overall story requirement of a game. To be frank, there is no way to justify not having a good story. You can argue the length of the story. You can argue the type, whether this part should focus on gameplay or this part should be more story orientated, there are plenty of things to decide within a story, but a story should always be present.

 

But let's take a step back, before I go on as to why it is a necessity within all games, first let me explain what I mean by 'games'. When I'm saying games, I'm talking about product quality games, games that you wish to present to the public gaming community. It's different if you're creating a first time game like yourself, and simply want to explore how to make games.

 

Now, back to what I was saying. Why is a good story, not just a story, necessary? That is because gaming isn't about gameplay. See, this has always been something that upset me when people say gameplay is the most important thing in a game. No, I disagree. The experience is the most important thing in the game. The experience is the collaboration of every single part of the game in order to create, hopefully, one profound game.

 

This isn't achieved by gameplay alone, where would you be without the sound in your game? it would be empty, you'd have to fill it up with your own music that doesn't suit the atmosphere. What about the animation, graphics, do you want to look at blocks for men? Story is the same, each individual part feels up a void that would otherwise exist within your game. Yes, I argue that even rogue-like games need a good story no matter how small it is.

 

So, you see where I'm coming from. Good music makes a game a whole lot better then bad music, same with the graphics no matter how thick people like to wear their nostalgia glasses. Good gameplay also, which inevitably leads to a good story.

However, generally a game chooses between gameplay and story. That isn't to say they neglect a side, for example the story will still be good but the gameplay will be great. They pick which one to make better, and in doing so make it the highlight of the game.

So that's why there are story driven games and there are gameplay driven games.

 

tl;dr a good story is always necessary the same as good gameplay is, however most games make the choice of choosing one and making it great.




#5135926 What makes a game fun

Posted by ShiftyCake on 02 March 2014 - 04:12 PM

The problem with defining 'fun' in any particular sense is that the concept is different for each individual person. One person can like shooters, another can hate them. Simply taking what the first person says at face value, and creating a simple shooter game, will only satisfy the first person.

 

However if you put, say, 5 people together and ask them whether they like being able to customise their character. If four people say yes, and one person says no, then being able to customise your character can be considered, in a fundamental sense, 'fun'.

 

This is where things start getting picky. In reality, you can define fun simply by saying 'anything the majority of people consider entertaining'. Yet that one person still finds it boring. This is where you look at two things. Who am I aiming for within my game? Once you achieve that, then you ask: what does the majority of the target audience consider entertainment?

 

So, for example, you decided to create a rogue-like. Your target audience is rogue-like fans, now you research what your target audience preferences in entertainment are. One of the biggest factors in a rogue-like for the fans is the variation within the randomness, the more they feel like every game is different, the more they enjoy the experience.

 

In reality, you'll never satisfy everyone. Just look at what you can do.




#5135749 A new type of TBS

Posted by ShiftyCake on 01 March 2014 - 05:38 PM

A level designer can be more then simply create this map this way. A good level designer can create a map dynamically, so that what you wish to implement can and will be implemented efficiently.

 

That is to say, a poorly designed map will limit your creativity within map changes. Even if you wish the game to be dynamic within one environment, I'd be making sure you make that initial map right.

 

If you're looking at creating an economic sim to begin with, then I suggest you use what I like to refer to as the 2-step game. Basically, a 2-step game is where you finish your economic sim at version 1.0 as a completed form and charge, say, half of what you wish to charge in total. Once that's done, you immediately move on to creating version 2.0 with the funding you just received, which includes combat and any other mechanics you wish to implement and change the price to the total of what you wish it to cost.

 

In other words, you'll have a cheap beta for people who wish to support you, or get it for less money, and then it'll go to full price upon official release. You could include an alpha version into this, but frankly I find that a lot of alpha's are actually detrimental rather then helpful. Unless you have a working game already in alpha, all you're doing is making people second-guess the game, and review it poorly due to 'lack of any gameplay'.




#5135604 A new type of TBS

Posted by ShiftyCake on 01 March 2014 - 04:08 AM

you're looking at a long and difficult road with a game like that. I'd suggest, if you are willing to commit, recruiting a concept artist straight away. He'll be able to bring visual to the ideas and concepts you're creating in your rough draft. This not only stimulates your own imagination, but it provides a glimpse into the game for people who are interested.

 

Once you've gotten the core concepts down, and are starting to flesh out your ideas, I'd suggest either start looking for a second designer to have them help you out (they'll pick up things you've missed and offer new ideas that didn't occur to you) or make another post about it on this forum (I'd suggest the former).

 

Then you'd want to look at getting programmers and a level designer on your team, the programmers will start creating the mechanics of the concepts you've already finished, and the level designer will start making the basic layouts of the maps.

 

After that, I'd look at getting your graphics designers and music creators, they're unnecessary until late in the development stage, as both require a full concept to work well.

 

Other advice I'd say is to create a blog instead of a tumblr account, and give updates and information on what you're doing. We don't need your entire drafts and concepts, in fact I'd recommend you stop right now. Many people would be self-inclined to take your work and create their own crappy version of the game and claim copyright. As long as you don't give out specific details, posting about things you're going to implement among other stuff would help you create a small community around the game, which helps a LOT (more then people realise).




#5135600 Games are Easy to make, So why is making Video games so hard?

Posted by ShiftyCake on 01 March 2014 - 03:56 AM

Physical entertainment versus virtual entertainment is where you have made your mistake.

Childhood games are physical entertainment.

Video games are virtual entertainment.

 

Then to separate even further, adult (including teens) entertainment (not that type of entertainment) versus child entertainment.

A child's entertainment is short and simple.

An adult's entertainment is long and complicated.

 

physical entertainment built for adult entertainment is time consuming.

physical entertainment built for child entertainment is not time consuming.

virtual entertainment built for adult entertainment is time consuming.

virtual entertainment built for child entertainment is time consuming.

 

that is where the problem starts, and ends. Creating entertainment on a virtual level will always be harder and more time consuming then simple games a child makes up. Even if all the programming dissapears, if graphics magically create themselves, and ideas are designed and fleshed out on the spot, it won't change a thing. You'll still need the time to implement and polish the video game.

 

Which isn't a bad thing, do you know how underwhelming the industry would become if games could be made instantly. It'd overload. There would be too many games at once, too many games at once means only a few really ever get played out of the thousands created. Since, say, 10/100 are played the other 90 games produce no money and the people who made them go bankrupt. Eventually, the the industry would collapse in on itself and you'd see only money making games coming out at any point in time.




#5135030 A new type of TBS

Posted by ShiftyCake on 27 February 2014 - 07:47 AM

I lack understanding of that which you want. Are you perchance looking at recruiting other members for the concept you wish to implement? If so, I believe the Classifieds is where you should've posted, as they have a hobbyist section for people looking to recruit members without payment, to make a game.

 

If this is not a recruitment post, please state your purpose.






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