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Wavinator

Member Since 26 Jun 2000
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In Topic: USC Canceled Video Game Panel For Too Many Men

04 June 2016 - 12:12 AM

Examples like that are why everyone should be aware of gender issues (as opposed to putting their fingers in their ears and yelling "woman got the vote, we're all equal now!" - yes, caricature, not specific :P)


Agreed, but we should also be aware of the countervailing tendency, popular in some camps who have loudly declared themselves to be the only parties "on the right side of history," (caricature as well but just as apt) of drawing broad conclusions from limited datasets which agree with their overall world view. We should, as much as humanly possible, explore the problem space with the best data available wherever it leads us.

History being the funny thing that it is, there may be no right or wrong side, rather only a human side.
 

Another is that women are more likely to feel the "imposter syndrome" and not at all likely to apply for jobs where they don't meet every criteria (whereas men tend to apply if they meet just half the criteria).


Having felt this first hand working in games, I have to ask if this is actually gendered or is it an ingroup / outgroup thing. (Apparently I'm not alone, minorities also experience it: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-impostor-syndrome/)
 

Most entry-level games jobs that I see, ask for:
* 3 shipped titles or 3 years industry experience,
* a 4 year degree
* lots of languages / tools experience.


It was only later in life (too late, I think) that I learned that a game was being played with requirements. The light for me went off interviewing with someone I'd worked with who had fewer qualifications than I had. His wisdom for me was, "I just apply for everything, the worst they can do is reject me."

Is is possible that members of an outgroup do not take as many risks because they are less likely to understand the consequences of those risks?
 

So being comfortable enough to discuss and act on gender issues, while not jumping to black and white conclusions, makes good business sense as well as being socially progressive.


I would like to see us more comfortable discussing, rather than weaponizing, our differences. I am greatly concerned that there is far more zeal and righteous glee in the latter. Good business sense should always derive from good information, and where the data shows clear, inexcusable differences (as with Salesforce recently) these need to be corrected swiftly.

In Topic: USC Canceled Video Game Panel For Too Many Men

03 June 2016 - 11:54 PM

Damn! This cannot be for real!
Female bias even extends to people's own children:  Pocket money: Boys get 13% more than girls, survey finds
Is this a female hating world or people witch-hunting the male dominance myth are seeing what they want to see?
 
Ah! , No... none of the above, Apparently its because boys moan, complain and asks for more!!! :( 


It is vital to adopt a skeptical attitude when faced with studies and extremely important to understand the inherent flaws in sociological research. This is especially true when science is being weaponized, as it often is in controversies such as gender relations, where a host of social biases and special interests can cloud the picture.

There exists at least two possibilities: The study is an accurate reflection of reality, and as such lends weight to the demand that society must reorder itself in order to live up to the ideals of an egalitarian and just society; or the study is not an accurate reflection of reality, due to flaws, the difficult and variable nature of what is being studied or other issues such as not accounting for mitigating factors.

Consider:

In 1987, the Gallup Youth Poll found ... Teenage boys received, on average, smaller allowances (total cash transfers) than did girls, $8.39 and $11.71 per week, respectively, probably reflecting differences in time spent performing household chores. Boys were more likely than girls to do chores involving outdoor duties, such as mowing the lawn, and less likely to do indoor tasks, such as cooking, laundry, and babysitting. These indoor tasks tended to be greater in number and collectively required greater time input than outdoor tasks [Gagner, Cooney, and Call 1998]


In 1992, boys aged twelve to eighteen received average monthly allowances of $39.53, 13 percent more than what girls received; but boys were paid 19 percent less than girls for extra chores performed around the house (chores not required for receipt of an allowance)


According to Sabrina Pabilonia [1999], the median weekly allowance for twelve- and thirteen-year-old boys was $4.80, and the median weekly allowance for sixteen-year-old boys was $7.70. The only gender difference in the median allowance received was for sixteen-year-olds, with boys receiving approximately $1 less than girls.


SOURCE: Boyhood in America: A - K., Volume 1
https://books.google.ca/books?id=IyTFVN0ugscC&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=allowance+survey+boys+girls&source=bl&ots=9rcj3EhZgW&sig=FKXiVSi-ty8Cr7w_xfWHWeqPZIk&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=allowance%20survey%20boys%20girls&f=false

What might have changed these numbers? Were there any issues with these studies? Do they track with results nationally? Do they vary across similar countries, and if so by how much?
 

In the vast majority of homes, the allowance is given ... as a reward for certain behavior.


Just as parents are docked for days missed at work, so are children punished for failing to live up to parental expectations.


Boys are asked to do more chores for their allowance than girls are. And parents who only have boys in their households are more likely to withhold allowance when dissatisfied than are parents who only have girls. Also, a significantly higher percentage of girls-only parents regard their girls as more responsible money mangers than do boys-only parents


SOURCE: Working Mother, 1986
https://books.google.ca/books?id=N2EEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=allowance+survey+boys+girls&source=bl&ots=mS5gnK65ND&sig=PPZzV1hvrlBQ204mwqkeLZ0isE4&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=allowance%20survey%20boys%20girls&f=false

Interesting. What to make of this? To what degree is allowance used as compensation for work performed versus behavioral control? Hypothesis: Do we assume boys on average have worse behavior than girls, and if so are boys being paid a higher rate to incentivize their behavior, or a lower rate as punishment for behavior? Or do girls behave worse than boys, or if better is a lower rate commensurate with less of a need to incentivize behavior?

Alternate theory: Is the work boys do considered more difficult (lawnmowing versus dishwashing)? Or is the work girls do considered more valuable (babysitting versus garbage)? How gendered is the work now versus in the past (are more girls taking out trash than in previous decades? Are more boys babysitting?)
 

According to a survey reported in Pediatrics for Parents newsletter, the average 8 and 9 year old's allowance is $3.75 per week. For 10 and 11 year olds, the average is $4.25, for 12 and 13 year olds $6.66, and for 14 year olds $9.45. Of the 1,000 children in the survey, only half received an allowance.

There is no gender gap in allowances - boys and girls in each group received the same amount per week. Girls were generally happier with the amount of their allowance while most boys thought they should receive more.


Chores - And Who Does Them

Girls Boys Chore
36% 60% Taking out the trash and recyclables
10% 40% Mowing the law and yard work
49% 33% Washing Dishes
36% 26% Caring for Siblings
36% 25% Helping to Prepare meals
29% 16% Cleaning the bathroom
27% 16% Dusting


http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/articledetail.cfm?id=341

Bonus: On spinning science, 2014 gender gap reports failed to note the nature of the study, claiming a gap for what was, in fact, a study aimed at college savings (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/allowance-gap-thinkprogress-is-pushing-is-fake/article/2547708)
 

The link Covert provided goes to a press release about the study from the Allstate Foundation, which co-sponsored the study with Junior Achievement USA. Covert completely ignores the headline of the press release, which is that there is a gender gap among teens planning to attend college.
Why would Covert ignore the main finding of the study? Maybe it’s because that particular gender gap favors girls.


(Washington Examiner is noted to be Right-leaning, FWIW)

If anything, be very wary of how science is translated into mass media, particularly if there is significant sanction for going against a widely adopted narrative or if one political faction favors only certain research. In modern culture is it easy to see one gender as good and another as bad? Is it easy to see one gender as more deserving of help and another as not? This will color perception.

Obviously, with a wealth of contradictory studies, we should be loathe to draw a straight line between allowances and greater social ills.

In Topic: i keep buying games and they're not what i expected

03 June 2016 - 12:48 PM

a better approach might be to give the player the ultimate goal quest, and have the intermediate quests just out there in the game world as side quests that just happen to aid in your overall goal. any required steps the plauer would be made ware of, or would discover over time. much of this sort of thing means the player needs the ability to ask people in the game world about things, like where can i find person x, location y, or item z.  as one of my players used to say "i don't know where the dungeon is? Ok...   Person in the street - which way to the dungeon?"


I've been wondering of late whether or not the best approach would be a bunch of monitored values rather than the key/lock approach that's become so dominant. Quest-giver dead? Sold the magic sword you were supposed to give the princess? Dragon cave inaccessible because you triggered an avalanche? No problem! Do you have enough "HERO POINTS?" You win!

Of course, how you get those points should drive an ecology of other point systems (Reputation, Empathy, Valor, etc) so that the main values aren't just a cakewalk. Theoretically, anyway.

In Topic: i keep buying games and they're not what i expected

03 June 2016 - 12:38 PM

the brilliance of this is that you can't use up design software, as it not content you consume, its a tool you use to modify content.


This is another great way of looking at it.

 

they seem to be too conditioned to getting that level up reward - when it seems that its really about the journey (the grind) and not the destination (retirement).  i'm not really sure, as i've never been tempted to even try something that one might typically associate with grinding and fetch quests (IE MMOs). i have no need for PvP or co-op, which is about all an MMO offers over a single player FPSRPG. and who wants to hassle with connecting just to play single player?


I think any kind of progression can be hypnotic. Even a stupid little gambling game where you watch your money go up can be compelling, but in a game with a larger context this simplicity only goes so far and creates problems.
 

MEANINGFUL art


Just to elaborate, good turns of plot in movies or books are good because they are constructed just so, in a way that dovetails perfectly with all that came before. To use Star Wars for example, take the famous reveal in Empire Strikes Back when Vader tells Luke that he is the young man's father. Given everything that's come before this is an emotionally resonant, 'just right' construction that amplifies the work. By comparison, had the reveal been that Vader was Han Solo's father, it would within the same framework have been largely meaningless.

I feel that procedural content often suffers from thematic meaninglessness. Some of this has to do with the very problem it is meant to solve, namely the difficulty of creating quality content. That you generate a bunch of buildings and roads does not make a city Paris. There is something unique about Paris that makes it Paris, and that's often lost no matter how well developed our technology becomes.
 

that's just lazy / bad procedural content generation.  good procedural content generation should be nigh on indistinguishable from hand rolled.


It's a nice ideal to reach for but I don't think we're there yet. We're making breathtaking strides though (No Man's Sky for example).

In Topic: i keep buying games and they're not what i expected

03 June 2016 - 12:21 PM

recently i've been noticing how disrespectful of player's time video games are compared to tabletop.


Haha yeah I've always liked how flight sims and space games can do time compression. A big issue I think is what I think of as 'actualization' vs. abstraction. Actualization is making players move step by step through a virtual world, abstraction is letting them fast travel. AAA has focused heavily on blow-by-blow actualization I think because of the huge draw of immersion, but it comes with hidden costs, most significantly navigation fatigue.

 

what i propose is a game that's not designed that way. a living world with purpose.


A very tall order but it would be fascinating if done with enough detail and room for player creativity. I suspect it would not have those 'just so' carefully designed moments we get with scripted content, but may well make up for it with emergent gameplay.

continual - so you don't run out of content - IE stuff to do.


Since procedural will eventually expose recognizable patterns I'm guessing something like this would take a continual developer commitment. This isn't unheard of (Stardock, for instance, keeps updating games they've released ages ago).
 

appropriate to their level - i already have houses. i want to design my own castle. and raise an army. and attack my neighbors, and have them attack me, and encounter my neighbors in the wilderness and do champion's battle for prisoner and ransom. sometimes they win, i become their "guest prisoner" and pay ransom, sometimes i win, and they are my "guests" for a few days. or perhaps we bag and tag each other's followers, that kind of stuff. and all along there's adventuring to be done: allies need help in epic quests, constant dungeon adventuring to afford the army, the odd dragon menacing the kingdom from time to time, etc.


I've always wondered how you stop this sort of game from leaking into a bunch of other genres. Does an RPG become an RTS becomes a grand strategy game? Or is there a clever way to contain the idea within its borders so that the development requirements don't explode exponentially.


you design it as "they continually become more powerful, and the world renews itself, instead of getting used up by the player.". but this has no closure.


I've always been a fan of the idea that you let players advance but never allow them to become Superman, otherwise we get Man of Steel style battles (now we need destructible cities, *sigh*). But even with that you're still saddled with Alexander the Great / Napoleon possibilities-- but at least they can be poisoned or backstabbed.
 

character retirement is about the only "solution" i've seen, and it isn't much of one if you ask me.


Death and permadeath are the only solutions I've ever been able to imagine as compelling, spiced with restart options based on how the player has changed the world. It gives continuity and meaning, but would only appeal to a limited subset of gamers.
 

when thy do this, it must be a new experience like the first pay through with the first character.  they should not know where points of interest are in the world from previous play throughs, nor where the badguys spawn, nor when, nor where the good treasure is, none of that.


I actually don't think this would be a problem if the world was large enough. Granted I've thought about this stuff forever in context of space games, so maybe a planet isn't a big enough arena (lol)

the arms race aspect of player level/playing time and new content is the only part for which there seems no solution.


It's not often a feature of fantasy (or even terrestrial) games but time / decay could be a natural factor. If you're the Red Baron but the Jet Age is coming, you're going to have to upgrade!

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