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KittyRa

Member Since 09 Jan 2005
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Topics I've Started

The Mojave Experiment

30 July 2008 - 10:18 PM

I'm sure lots of you have already seen this, but bleh. Everyone hates Windows Vista, but what happens when you change the name... http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/

What separates us from the beasts...

23 April 2007 - 12:18 PM

Sorry, long post. [smile]

I was doing research for a debate about whether or not medical experimentation on animals is "desirable" and recalled the idea that humans are animals....

Definitions of Animal:
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  • animal(a): marked by the appetites and passions of the body; "animal instincts"; "carnal knowledge"; "fleshly desire"; "a sensual delight in eating"; "music is the only sensual pleasure without vice"

  • a living organism characterized by voluntary movement

  • of the nature of or characteristic of or derived from an animal or animals; "the animal kingdom"; "animal instincts"; "animal fats"

wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • Animals are a major group of organisms, classified as the kingdom Animalia or Metazoa. In general they are multicellular, capable of locomotion and responsive to their environment, and feed by consuming other organisms. Their body plan becomes fixed as they develop, usually early on in their development as embryos, although some undergo a process of metamorphosis later on. [b]Biologically, human beings fall under en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal
Humans fulfill all of these characteristics—"animal instincts", voluntary movement, multicellular, responsive to stimuli, part of the animal kingdom, etc.—yet most people still separate humans and animals as if humans aren't animals at all. Biologically, humans are animals, but that's just not good enough for many people.
  • Why do people (in general) go to great lengths to differentiate themselves from [other] animals?
While searching for more about this I came across many sources that suggested that the difference between humans and animals is soul:
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Only humans have immortal souls. Animals are purely physical (non-spiritual) beings
http://home.btconnect.com/scimah/mindandsoul.htm
Obviously, there are a TON more but I'm too lazy to dig up links so I just went with what I had at the moment. The question that this brings up is "what is soul?"
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  • the immaterial part of a person; the actuating cause of an individual life

  • deep feeling or emotion

  • the human embodiment of something; "the soul of honor"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • The soul according to many religious and philosophical traditions, is the ethereal substance — spirit (Hebrew:rooah or nefesh) — particular to a unique living being. Such traditions often consider the soul both immortal and innately aware of its immortal nature, as well as the true basis for sentience in each living being.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul

Most of the above definitions would suggest that soul is something specific to humans which would support the idea that animals do not have souls. This however is directly contradicted by the Bible: (sorry, I hate to drag religion into this)(Yes, I realize that the Bible was written by humans)
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According to the Bible, animals have souls. Texts such as Genesis 1:21,24 are often mistranslated to read "living creatures." The exact Hebrew used in reference to animals throughout the Bible is "nephesh chayah," or "living soul." This is how the phrase has been translated in Genesis 2:7 and in four hundred other places in the Old Testament. Thus, Genesis 1:30 should more accurately read: "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, I have given every green herb for meat."

God breathed the "breath of life" into man, and caused him to become a living soul. (Genesis 2:7) Animals have the same "breath of life" as do humans. (Genesis 7:15, 22) Numbers 16:22 refers to the Lord as "the God of spirits of all flesh."

http://www.all-creatures.org/murti/tsnhod-08.html
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This position was taken by Paul, who called himself an apostle to the gentiles. Paul spoke of God as the "giver of life and breath and all things to everyone." (Acts 17:25) In his epistle to the Romans 8:18-25, Paul wrote that the entire creation, and not just mankind, is awaiting redemption.

Revelations 16:3 also refers to the souls of animals: "The second angel poured out his bowl upon the sea, so that it turned to blood as of a corpse, and every living soul that was in the sea died." The exact Greek word for soul, "psyche," was used in the original texts.
And much, much, much more...

Even if you exclude the Bible, you have no way of knowing whether or not animals have souls (That is assuming that lack of a soul is one of the criteria for defining what is an animal).

I have also found arguments based on the differences in communicative ability and intelligence of humans and [other] animals. It is clear that animals (some anyway) are capable of at least basic communication so I won't go into that at all.

Intelligence is another commonly given reason for the separation of humans and animals, however I fail see how one animal being more intelligent than another would cause it to cease being an animal. An animal is an animal regardless of intelligence, right? Perhaps I'm missing something here.

So we can't determine whether or not humans are animals based on intelligence (grouping/dropping communication) and the whole idea of soul is a bit iffy (not at all concrete). How then do we define what is an animal?
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So one has to wonder to what degree nonhumans share other capacities still thought to be exclusively human. And, of course, the critical words here are "to what degree" — do we count lack of a particular behavior a defining criterion, or do we accept the existence of less complex versions of that behavior as evidence for a continuum?
http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_3.html

So what do you think? Are humans animals and why (or why not)?

Sorry if this post was badly done. I've never written anything like this before.

Interesting things I found today!

07 December 2006 - 02:37 PM

It's been a while since I was active here so I decided to share with you all what I found today: 1) I found this [fake] picture. It's a subway train in somewhere in Japan. Click if picture doesn't show 2) I found this video. I'm sure many of you have probably seen it already but it's still interesting. After all, who doesn't love dancing robots? 3) This (JVC "breathing" speakers) isn't new either but it's still cool. 4) ISN'T IT AMAZING!?!? For just 12,800 yen you can rub your fat with electric gloves! But that's not all...they're WATERPROOF! (in Japanese, rough google translation) 5) Amazing things that the Japanese sell with vending machines. I especially like the water salad, toilet paper, fishing gear, car garage (even if it's not really a vending machine). It's also funny (haha and wierd) that they sell "used schoolgirl panties", designer condoms, and beetles. 6) Japanese man wears 100 pairs of underwear [Edited by - DigiDude on December 8, 2006 3:39:30 PM]

How many bookmarks do YOU have?

12 October 2006 - 02:30 PM

I was a bit bored so I thought Wow, I have a lot of bookmarks!. How many bookmarks do YOU have? I have: 270 threads 0 GD Showcases and 3 Jounals (Ravuya, Washu, and sunandshadow) My inbox is about the same. I don't usually clean it out until I have close to 150 emails. I haven't cleaned my bookmarks in a while.

Gizooglefy!

29 August 2006 - 08:50 AM

Gizoogle. I Don't know if anyone else has already found this but I thought it was fun. I did GameDev but it wasn't as noticable as I'd hoped.

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