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I figured I'd post a quick entry during my break. I haven't really gotten anything done due to working a lot, so I don't really have much of an update, just a rant.

Christians are really starting to piss me off (not christianity per se, but christians in personally.) For example: linky. They have absolutely no way to prove that their god exists so they throw crap like that at non-christians to try to convert them. First off, I'm quite sure that their god wouldn't appreciate having his work compared to that of a watchmaker. And, a watch is nothing like a human being.

Plus the fact that if I worshipped a book like Lord of the Rings or something that was totally unfathomable, they'd laugh in my face for the exact reason that "It was written by a man and there is no way it could happen" (almost exact quote from about 12 christians.) Let's see, AFAIK the bible was written by man (not a single man, but they're still human even if the bible (the book they wrote) says they're "special.") and I can actually have electricity come out of my fingertips (it may be small, but it's the same damn thing as lightning) whereas I can't create a human being, planet, animals, and time out of nothing. But then they treat someone like a retarded monkey and tell them "yea, that could really happen" because they believe that we evolved from something else WHEN WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

Sorry, but every person I know offline is a christian, so I get treated like a retarded monkey all the time and I'm really getting sick of it. That's why I've picked up some extra jobs though, so I can move out sooner.

Crap, break is up, gotta run.
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I learned long ago that it's a waste of time to argue with someone about their religion -- it never turns out pretty. I believe most history textbooks back up this claim innumerable times, too! [grin]

It is, however, valid to argue about how someone is pushing their beliefs on another. And a there's a LOT of subtle (and blatent) Christian propoganda out there. Cripes, my little sister found a Jesus-related booklet in her Halloween bag last year! [sad]

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You made a single mistake; you assumed all christians are like that. We aren't.
The video (Yes, I watched all of it) shows a profound amount of ignorance on the part of the author. His assertation that evolution is 'by chance' is patently false. There are two contemporary theories on the origin of the first cells. The first is quickly gaining support; it is the 'space rocks' theory, and is quite plausible, and given the hardy nature of primitive bacteria (like mitochondria) is certainly very possible. The second has it's grounding in chemistry and deals with structures called Folermenes (I think; I'm rusty on the names of some of this stuff. It's been a while since I studied it in any detail) which are created when a certain number of carbon atoms come together. These structures have to form by chance; that critical threshold of atoms have to find each othery by chance - but in a sea full of billions of billions of carbon atoms sloshing around, they would be rather common.
Evolution, from that point forward, is hardly chance. No; instead it's about information preservation. Whichever organism is better at preserving and duplicating the information is carries wins. Creationists often mistake the process of random mutation for the whole of evolution.
One of the most common arguments I see for creation is the horse. Yes, the horse. How can it be possible that a Horse exists by chance? creationists ask me. It's a million to one! they say. Why, if it was a million to one, then we would only need to randomly generate a million organisms to get one horse. They usually agree with glazed looks to this, after which I explain to them that the odds of a horse being randomly created from nothing is somewhat more on the order of 55,287,242,248,119,123,456 to 1 against. But, I add, evolution did not create the horse by chance! The horse was created by making a small change to another organism, which was created by making a small change to another, and so on. Where are these almost-horses, then? they often demand. A simple question: I show them a zebra. And then I confound them; I ask them, if the horse was any different - would we notice? If our horses looked different; if they had always looked different, because they evolved differently; would we all be going around saying 'You know, our horses are really messed up.' Maybe our horse isn't correct. Maybe the horse isn't supposed to look like that at all. We should figure out what they are supposed to look like, and change it. Usually, this is when they stop talking to me, and never bring it up again.
The christian who takes the words of the bible as fact dismisses the possibility that human transcribers and translators could make mistakes. It was inspired by God, they say. And, indeed, it may have been. But it is clear that were it, it was only flawless in it's original language. This new international version could not possibly be the inspired word of God. If it was, it would not have this typo. See there? It says Hop. Love and Hop. Excuse me while I Hop.
Religions, all of them, are designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Control. Not every person is capable of thinking critically, not every person can be a leader. Religion is there to serve them. To give them order; give them hope, because they can't escape their lot. In short, to keep them in line. Christianity just has the misfortune of being dominant in our culture. For this reason, it's important to draw a distinction between Religion and Christianity, though I've used the term 'christianity' as if it refers to a religion previously. (Yes, at this point, the last few people that havn't yet made the decision call me a loon) Christianity is not a religion. I've said it. Let the implications sink in for a moment. Ready? Christianity is a philosophy. Catholocism, Protestantism, Mormonism. Those are religions.
I am not Catholic. I am not Protestant (Though the Catholic church would label me as such). I am not Mormon. I am Christian. That is; I subscribe to Christian Philosophy. I believe in Evolution. I see scientific evidence that it has happened, that it is happening right now. I believe in the big bang. (Or, perhaps, the big splat. I've not seen evidence yet that does not fit with both theories) And, yet, I still have my faith. I know God is there; but I cannot prove it. If I could, what then would be the purpose of faith?
My ideas are mine; not yours - I can't prove I am correct, and I wouldn't ask you to take my ideas as fact. You have to make your own ideas. If I'm wrong, don't follow me to Hell or Oblivion unless you've come to the same conclusion as I on your own.

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Also; we aren't evolved from monkys. That always irks me. We are evolved from Homonids, a line which split from the other great apes (Gorillas, Apes, Chimpanzees) long before we were ever here. Our most recent relatives were neanderthals - but they were cousins; not ancestors. And there are no other homonid species left because we were too damn successful. We killed them. All of them.

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I apologize, as I did make it sound like all christians. But, to tell you the truth I know A LOT of christians (I'd say about 60) and at least 45 of them act like that.

But, I never said that we evolved from monkeys, as I don't believe that either[smile]. My point was that every christian that I've spoken to about evolution has told me "that's rediculous" or "that couldn't happen" when we evolve all the time.

The only reason I said anything is because I needed to vent lol. It's really aggrivating to have someone tell me that I'm going to hell because I look at porn and like to swear, but they sin just as much. For instance, my aunt donated to the church because she thought "God might help me win more money" when I'm pretty sure the bible says that gambling is wrong (not entirely sure it says it's a sin, but I'm almost positive that it says it's bad.)

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Odd, I don't recall it saying gambling is wrong. It does say greed is wrong. I suppose it can be construed that gambling is greed.

Don't worry about; sometime, I'll tell you the dirty little secret of Christianity: No one is going to hell. Now, this can't get out, because the 'Fear of God' is usefull for keeping idiots in line. But, God is forgiving! He'll wipe away all our sins if we just ask. That's it! All we have to do is ask! But he teaches us to forgive. Wether the person who grieved us asks or not. Isn't that a little hipocritical? No, not at all - because heres the secret. God loves us. He forgivs us wether we ask or not.

Of course, if I'm wrong, I'm fucked. :/

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People (americans especially it seems) are bad at math.

You should find out how many people also then don't believe in the Infinite Monkey Theorem (an infinite amount of monkeys on an infinite amount of typewriters given an infinite number of years will produce the complete works of shakespeare). Even one immortal monkey for infinite years, or infinite monkeys for a split second would work. Most common folks can at least realise the first definition is true. A fair number will realise the other two if led from the first. Some unfortunate souls will reject the Infinite Monkey Theorem despite it being mathematically provable.

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Programmer16 : Please watch http://www.thegodmovie.com/

If you want I'll mail you my copy so you can watch it. Seriously. PM me.

Jesus AKA the easter bunny.

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Now, I'm not saying we're any better or anything, but here's an interesting fact:
In my country most people are very religious (catholic). It's part of our culture and heritage. And yet, I never heard a *single* person say they don't believe in evolution. Really! And the most religious people are the first ones to say that. My grandma even. Every adult and everyone my age.

When I studied evolution in school, my biology book had a full page discussing how one can be religous and still believe in evolution; we skipped that page because everyone, in a class of 25, was like "well d'oh".

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Original post by noaktree
Programmer16 : Please watch http://www.thegodmovie.com/

If you want I'll mail you my copy so you can watch it. Seriously. PM me.

Jesus AKA the easter bunny.


Thanks for the link Neil! I'll have some extra money coming in my next paycheck, so I'll order myself a copy.

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